Jolemai Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) I'll go into more detail with an article on the main board soon, but the idea/theme for this list is for two threats buffed to the hilt (and with enough synergy/chaff from the supporting elements to pull it off). This was supposed to be theoretical, but I actually had a game with it this other night on the spur of the moment (report arrive soonTM). Below is my initial gambit and I'm sure there's room for improvement; I certainly have some ideas on where to go with it 2000 "Troop Spam" TAC list Blood Angels Battalion Detachment HQ Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, thunder hammer, jump pack ~ Warlord: Artisan of War Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, chainsword ~ Veritas Vitae Troops Scouts (5) ~ Bolt pistol, chainsword ~ Combat blade (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolt pistol, chainsword ~ Combat blade (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Shotgun (4) Elites Company Ancient ~ Boltgun Terminator Squad (5) ~ Storm bolter, power sowrd ~ Assault Cannon, power fist ~ Storm bolter, power fist (3) Fast Attack Scout Bikes (3) Scout Bikes (3) Blood Angels Battalion Detachment HQ Librarian ~ Bolt pistol, force stave, jump pack ~ Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Smite Sanguinary Priest ~ Bolt pistol, chainsword, jump pack Troops Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Heavy Support Rapier Carrier (1) ~ Quad launcher Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Grav-cannon & grav-amp ~ Heavy bolter Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Grav-cannon & grav-amp ~ Missile Launcher Blood Angels Vanguard Detachment HQ Lieutenant (2) ~ Hand flamer, chainsword, jump pack (Angel's Wing) (1) ~ Master-crafted bolter, chainsword (1) Elites Sanguinary Ancient ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist, death mask ~ Standard of Sacrifice Sanguinary Guard (4) ~ Angelus boltgun, encarmine sword (3) ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist (1) Sanguinary Guard (4) ~ Angelus boltgun, encarmine sword (3) ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist (1) Musings 14 CP, Captain Smash is the warlord... Block one is two squads of Sanguinary Guard backed up with an Ancient (5++= standard), Priest, Librarian (Rage and Shield), jump lieutenant (with the overwatch blocker jump pack), and the smash Captain Block two is the Terminators, with a foot Captain, Standard, Lieutenant Six Scout Squads and two Scout bike Squads for harassment Smash Captain has the option of going DVoS and rolling up a flank, jump lieutenant can use UWoF to assist if necessary Two Devastators Squads with cherubs for stratagem shenanigans (and the quad launcher nearby). Alternatively, the foot Captain, Lieutenant, Standard can babysit here Two standards for standard shenanigans (see thread I realise the ranged weapon choices are a bit off but I'm attempting to be WYSIWYG as best I can. However, there is some proxying going on meaning I'll likely change this out going forward... The rest of the odd choices are to make the points fit. I'm potentially looking into rolling the two Battalions into a Brigade, just need to work out what to move around and to keep my CPs high. Thoughts? Edited July 11, 2022 by Jolemai Title and tags Brother Christopher 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 26, 2018 Author Share Posted September 26, 2018 Basically, what I'm looking at here is two heavy hitting units and these can be anything: for example, it could be any two from DC, SG, TDA, VAS. Below is the list rolled into the a Bridage, with the Terminators switched for their Tartaros counterparts (mainly for range purposes) and some proxying removed. Changes in red: 2000 "Troop Spam" TAC list Blood Angels Brigade Detachment HQ Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, thunder hammer, jump pack ~ Warlord: Artisan of War Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, chainsword ~ Veritas Vitae Librarian ~ Bolt pistol, force stave, jump pack ~ Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Smite Lieutenant ~ Hand flamer, chainsword, jump pack (Angel's Wing) Troops Scouts (5) ~ Bolt pistol, chainsword ~ Combat blade (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolt pistol, chainsword ~ Combat blade (4) Scouts (5) ~ Shotgun, chainsword ~ Shotgun (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Elites Company Ancient ~ Boltgun Tartaros Terminator Squad (5) ~ Volkite charger, power sword, grenade harness ~ Reaper Autocannon, power fist ~ Combi-bolter, power fist (3) Sanguinary Ancient ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist, death mask ~ Standard of Sacrifice Sanguinary Guard (6) ~ Angelus boltgun, encarmine sword (4) ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist (2) Sanguinary Novitae Fast Attack Bike Squad (3) ~ Combi-grav ~ Grav-guns (2) ~ Attack Bike with multi melta Attack Bike Squad (1) ~ Heavy bolter Tarantula Sentry Gun ~ Twin lascannon Heavy Support Whirlwind ~ Whirlwind vengeance laucnher Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Plasma cannon ~ Heavy bolter Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Plasma cannon ~ Missile Launcher Notes CP increased to 15 Same plan for the SG, they just lack a Priest now Tartaros instead for better movement and range, they also now have a Priest to babysit them Don't really want the Whirlwind in this list, but it's a placeholder until I get a Quad Launcher. Same goes for the plasma cannons... Bikes and Tarantula in for the Scout Bikes (and because I needed three choices). Grav because that's what I have (alternatives being meltagun x1, plasma gun x1, power sword x1, chainsword/BP x1) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5171292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 OP list I'll go into more detail with an article on the main board soon, but the idea/theme for this list is for two threats buffed to the hilt (and with enough synergy/chaff from the supporting elements to pull it off). This was supposed to be theoretical, but I actually had a game with it this other night on the spur of the moment (report arrive soonTM). Below is my initial gambit and I'm sure there's room for improvement; I certainly have some ideas on where to go with it 2000 "Troop Spam" TAC list Blood Angels Battalion Detachment HQ Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, thunder hammer, jump pack ~ Warlord: Artisan of War Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, chainsword ~ Veritas Vitae Troops Scouts (5) ~ Bolt pistol, chainsword ~ Combat blade (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolt pistol, chainsword ~ Combat blade (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Shotgun (4) Elites Company Ancient ~ Boltgun Terminator Squad (5) ~ Storm bolter, power sowrd ~ Assault Cannon, power fist ~ Storm bolter, power fist (3) Fast Attack Scout Bikes (3) Scout Bikes (3) Blood Angels Battalion Detachment HQ Librarian ~ Bolt pistol, force stave, jump pack ~ Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Smite Sanguinary Priest ~ Bolt pistol, chainsword, jump pack Troops Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Heavy Support Rapier Carrier (1) ~ Quad launcher Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Grav-cannon & grav-amp ~ Heavy bolter Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Grav-cannon & grav-amp ~ Missile Launcher Blood Angels Vanguard Detachment HQ Lieutenant (2) ~ Hand flamer, chainsword, jump pack (Angel's Wing) (1) ~ Master-crafted bolter, chainsword (1) Elites Sanguinary Ancient ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist, death mask ~ Standard of Sacrifice Sanguinary Guard (4) ~ Angelus boltgun, encarmine sword (3) ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist (1) Sanguinary Guard (4) ~ Angelus boltgun, encarmine sword (3) ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist (1) Musings 14 CP, Captain Smash is the warlord... Block one is two squads of Sanguinary Guard backed up with an Ancient (5++= standard), Priest, Librarian (Rage and Shield), jump lieutenant (with the overwatch blocker jump pack), and the smash Captain Block two is the Terminators, with a foot Captain, Standard, Lieutenant Six Scout Squads and two Scout bike Squads for harassment Smash Captain has the option of going DVoS and rolling up a flank, jump lieutenant can use UWoF to assist if necessary Two Devastators Squads with cherubs for stratagem shenanigans (and the quad launcher nearby). Alternatively, the foot Captain, Lieutenant, Standard can babysit here Two standards for standard shenanigans (see thread I realise the ranged weapon choices are a bit off but I'm attempting to be WYSIWYG as best I can. However, there is some proxying going on meaning I'll likely change this out going forward... The rest of the odd choices are to make the points fit. I'm potentially looking into rolling the two Battalions into a Brigade, just need to work out what to move around and to keep my CPs high. Thoughts? battle report here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5171359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 Basically, what I'm looking at here is two heavy hitting units and these can be anything: for example, it could be any two from DC, SG, TDA, VAS. Below is the list rolled into the a Bridage, with the Terminators switched for their Tartaros counterparts (mainly for range purposes) and some proxying removed. Changes in red: 2000 "Troop Spam" TAC list Blood Angels Brigade Detachment HQ Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, thunder hammer, jump pack ~ Warlord: Artisan of War Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, chainsword ~ Veritas Vitae Librarian ~ Bolt pistol, force stave, jump pack ~ Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Smite Lieutenant ~ Hand flamer, chainsword, jump pack (Angel's Wing) Troops Scouts (5) ~ Bolt pistol, chainsword ~ Combat blade (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolt pistol, chainsword ~ Combat blade (4) Scouts (5) ~ Shotgun, chainsword ~ Shotgun (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Elites Company Ancient ~ Boltgun Tartaros Terminator Squad (5) ~ Volkite charger, power sword, grenade harness ~ Reaper Autocannon, power fist ~ Combi-bolter, power fist (3) Sanguinary Ancient ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist, death mask ~ Standard of Sacrifice Sanguinary Guard (6) ~ Angelus boltgun, encarmine sword (4) ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist (2) Sanguinary Novitae Fast Attack Bike Squad (3) ~ Combi-grav ~ Grav-guns (2) ~ Attack Bike with multi melta Attack Bike Squad (1) ~ Heavy bolter Tarantula Sentry Gun ~ Twin lascannon Heavy Support Whirlwind ~ Whirlwind vengeance laucnher Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Plasma cannon ~ Heavy bolter Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Plasma cannon ~ Missile Launcher Notes CP increased to 15 Same plan for the SG, they just lack a Priest now Tartaros instead for better movement and range, they also now have a Priest to babysit them Don't really want the Whirlwind in this list, but it's a placeholder until I get a Quad Launcher. Same goes for the plasma cannons... Bikes and Tarantula in for the Scout Bikes (and because I needed three choices). Grav because that's what I have (alternatives being meltagun x1, plasma gun x1, power sword x1, chainsword/BP x1) This list was used here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5176351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Version 1.3 2000 "Troop Spam" TAC list Blood Angels Brigade Detachment HQ Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, thunder hammer, jump pack ~ Warlord: Artisan of War Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, chainsword ~ Veritas Vitae Librarian ~ Bolt pistol, force stave, jump pack ~ Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Smite Lieutenant ~ Hand flamer, chainsword, jump pack (Angel's Wing) Troops Scouts (6) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Combat blade (5) Scouts (6) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Combat blade (5) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Shotgun (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Tactical Squad (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Lascannon Tactical Squad (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Lascannon Elites Company Ancient ~ Chainsword Tartaros Terminator Squad (6) ~ Volkite charger, power sword, grenade harness ~ Reaper Autocannon, power fist ~ Combi-bolter, power fist (4) Sanguinary Ancient ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist, death mask ~ Standard of Sacrifice Sanguinary Guard (5) ~ Angelus boltgun, encarmine sword (4) ~ Angelus boltgun, power axe (1) Fast Attack Bike Squad (3) ~ Combi-grav ~ Grav-guns (2) ~ Chainsword (1) Attack Bike Squad (1) ~ Heavy bolter Attack Bike Squad (1) ~ multi-melta Heavy Support Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Missile Launcher ~ Heavy bolter Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Plasma cannon ~ Heavy bolter Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Plasma cannon ~ Missile Launcher Musings Slight rejig where I've gone for more redundancy: extra bike, extra Terminator, extra Devastator Squad Tacticals to split the lascannon(s) up Plan on teleporting the Terminators to make use of the re-rolls stratagem Will try starting the SG, SGA, Librarian blob on the board. Lieutenant and Smash to roll with or separate Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5176541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnean Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Looks fun to me! Definite improvements in the last list i'd say :) Jolemai 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5176953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 Modifications in red: Version 1.3 2000 "Troop Spam" TAC list Blood Angels Brigade Detachment HQ Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, thunder hammer, jump pack ~ Warlord: Artisan of War Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, chainsword ~ Veritas Vitae Librarian ~ Bolt pistol, force stave, jump pack ~ Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Smite Sanguinary Priest ~ Boltgun, chainsword, jump pack (Angel's Wing) Troops Scouts (6) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Combat blade (5) Scouts (6) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Combat blade (5) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Shotgun (4) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (4) Tactical Squad (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Lascannon Tactical Squad (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Lascannon Elites Company Ancient ~ Chainsword Terminator Squad (6) ~ Stom bolter, power sword ~ Heavy Flamer, power fist ~ Storm bolter power fist (3) Sanguinary Ancient ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist, death mask ~ Standard of Sacrifice Sanguinary Guard (5) ~ Angelus boltgun, encarmine sword (4) ~ Angelus boltgun, power axe (1) Fast Attack Bike Squad (3) ~ Combi-grav ~ Grav-guns (2) ~ Chainsword (1) Attack Bike Squad (1) ~ Heavy bolter Attack Bike Squad (1) ~ multi-melta Heavy Support Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Missile Launcher ~ Heavy bolter Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Plasma cannon ~ Heavy bolter Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Plasma cannon ~ Missile Launcher Current list, posted for posterity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5200977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnean Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Wouldn't the angel's wings be more usefull on your thammer captain? Besides that, i think termies are overpriced for what they deliver. What do you think about a second sanguinary guard squad instead? Jolemai 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5201624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 28, 2018 Author Share Posted November 28, 2018 Wouldn't the angel's wings be more usefull on your thammer captain? Besides that, i think termies are overpriced for what they deliver. What do you think about a second sanguinary guard squad instead? I don't have enough SG for two squads and I'm trying hard not to proxy stuff these days... In theory, taking Terminators (or rather, something different from SG) gives me another option - another threat for the enemy to counter. I may end up dropping them sooner rather than later though. The theory behind the relic elsewhere is it gives me more flexibility. Say I eanty Captain to harass a flank but the SG blob to do the heavy lifting - then I need the relic there to help it land home. It also gives me to option of doing a tag team if the Captain needs a boost (or some health in the case of a Priest). Perhaps it's a hangover from an earlier list and I may give the Captain it at some point, but I'm happy enough with the current setup. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5201699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnean Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Fair enough. The relic part is well thought out and makes sense. As an enemy i'd start shooting SG over terminators any day, but that might be me haha. What about a threat like death company? Too squishy in comparison? Jolemai 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5202238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 28, 2018 Author Share Posted November 28, 2018 Fair enough. The relic part is well thought out and makes sense. As an enemy i'd start shooting SG over terminators any day, but that might be me haha. What about a threat like death company? Too squishy in comparison? Oh of course, but it's still a threat to be dealt with. They will also delete a unit when they arrive from teleport with their stratagem. tbh I had visions of them moving up the centre with the foot Characters but they are so much more useful babysitting the Devastators! If/when I drop them I may try out Sternguard in a Drop Pod, or VAS/DC The latter two both have their own plus points but are they too samey as the SG? DC would burn through 2 CP for a T1 charge (plus two more to get the Angel's Wing into range if needed) - in which case I might need to address who it goes on VAS with storm shields would offer target saturation, or I could use them independently as I do my TDA currently. However, this requires me to make some... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5202244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnean Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Fair enough. The relic part is well thought out and makes sense. As an enemy i'd start shooting SG over terminators any day, but that might be me haha. What about a threat like death company? Too squishy in comparison? Oh of course, but it's still a threat to be dealt with. They will also delete a unit when they arrive from teleport with their stratagem. tbh I had visions of them moving up the centre with the foot Characters but they are so much more useful babysitting the Devastators! If/when I drop them I may try out Sternguard in a Drop Pod, or VAS/DC The latter two both have their own plus points but are they too samey as the SG? DC would burn through 2 CP for a T1 charge (plus two more to get the Angel's Wing into range if needed) - in which case I might need to address who it goes on VAS with storm shields would offer target saturation, or I could use them independently as I do my TDA currently. However, this requires me to make some... Hmmm... i hadn't thought about using the defensively, only balls to the walls deepstrike True on the CP cost of DC, but theyll eat through the opponent in my experience. The Vanguards i still need to build my self as well, so can't really comment on those. Although they look very nice on paper. The "samey" feel of SG is kind of the point why i'd bring them. The opponent will feel the same, then focus on one of the two, which in turn leaves the other to do their job. I might be kind of tunnelvisioning on that though haha Jolemai 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5202470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted November 29, 2018 Author Share Posted November 29, 2018 To add, I have a battle report to write using the above list and I'll be using the same one this Sunday (hopefully). Lynnean 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5202527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 1, 2018 Author Share Posted December 1, 2018 Latest report Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5204059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 Wouldn't the angel's wings be more usefull on your thammer captain? Gave this a go last night. There'll be a report up before Sanguinala. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5205125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnean Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Latest report Nice report! Any big things that you learned from that battle? Jolemai 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5205359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 Latest report Nice report! Any big things that you learned from that battle? Sadly, nothing I didn't really know already. It did, however, reinforce my belief that I'm now playing my SG the correct way and that I need to know how to do my Bikes and Scouts better. What I need to learn is how to dictate the play more with this force. Dolchiate Remembrancer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5205391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted February 9, 2019 Author Share Posted February 9, 2019 Sanguinor version for times when I can't run Smash (as in, no proxys permitted ) and post CA2018 changes: Version 1.3 2000 "Troop Spam" TAC list Blood Angels Brigade Detachment HQ The Sanguinor ~ Warlord Captain ~ Master-crafted boltgun, chainsword ~ Veritas Vitae Librarian ~ Bolter, force stave, jump pack ~ Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Smite Sanguinary Priest ~ Boltgun, chainsword, jump pack (Angel's Wing) Troops Scouts (6) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Combat blade (5) ~ Shotgun (1) Scouts (6) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Combat blade (5) ~ Shotgun (1) Scouts (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (3) ~ Shotgun (1) Scouts (5) ~ Combi-flamer, chainsword ~ Sniper rifle (4) Tactical Squad (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Lascannon Tactical Squad (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Lascannon Elites Company Ancient ~ Bolter Terminator Squad (7) ~ Stom bolter, power sword ~ Assault cannon, power fist ~ Storm bolter power fist (4) ~ Storm bolter, chainfist (1) Sanguinary Ancient ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist, death mask ~ Standard of Sacrifice Sanguinary Guard (6) ~ Angelus boltgun, encarmine sword (4) ~ Plasma pistol, encarmine sword (1) ~ Angelus boltgun, power axe (1) Fast Attack Bike Squad (3) ~ Combi-grav ~ Grav-guns (2) ~ Chainsword (1) Attack Bike Squad (1) ~ Heavy bolter Attack Bike Squad (1) ~ multi-melta Heavy Support Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Missile Launcher ~ Heavy bolter Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Plasma cannon ~ Heavy bolter Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Plasma cannon ~ Missile Launcher Current list, posted for posterity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5252642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted May 9, 2019 Author Share Posted May 9, 2019 My record here is, I think, W:5 D:0 L:3 which I'm happy enough with but I wasn't satisfied after my last game (yes it was post-FAQ but that wasn't the problem). I was up against a Guard force with the the non-Smash Captain list and basically, whilst I lived with it for two turns, I crumbled T3 and had to concede. What I'm finding here (and something I've found at other points levels I play) is that I run out of steam, primarily because I'm not doing enough damage at the start. Therefore, I'm considering a tweak to double Battalion to bring in a Smash Captain in addition to everything else (at the expense of a Devastator Squad and my bikes)... and a few other tweaks: 2000 "Troop Spam" TAC list v1.4 Blood Angels Battalion Detachment HQ Captain ~ Thunderhammer, stormshield, jump pack ~ Angels Wing Lieutenant ~ Storm bolter, power fist ~ Veritas Vitae Troops Scouts (5) ~ Sniper rifle, chainsword ~ Sniper rifle (4) Tactical Squad (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Lascannon Tactical Squad (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Plasma cannon Heavy Support Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Missile Launcher ~ Heavy bolter Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter (3) ~ Missile launcher ~ Heavy bolter Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought ~ Two twin lascannons Blood Angels Battalion Detachment HQ Librarian ~ Bolter, force stave, jump pack ~ Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Smite Sanguinary Priest ~ Boltgun, chainsword, jump pack Troops Scouts (6) ~ Bolter, power sword ~ Combat blade (4) ~ Shotgun (1) Scouts (6) ~ Bolter, powersword ~ Combat blade (4) ~ Shotgun (1) Scouts (5) ~ Stormbolter, chainsword ~ Bolter (3) ~ Shotgun (1) Fast Attack Attack bike (1) ~ Heavy bolter Blood Angels Vanguard Detachment HQ Astorath ~ Warlord Elites Company Ancient ~ Bolter Terminator Squad (6) ~ Storm bolter, power sword ~ Assault cannon, power fist ~ Storm bolter power fist (3) ~ Storm bolter, chainfist (1) Sanguinary Ancient ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist, death mask ~ Standard of Sacrifice Sanguinary Guard (6) ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist (3) ~ Angelus boltgun, encarmine sword (2) ~~ Angelus boltgun, power axe (1) Assassin Thoughts, options, musings With an Assassin and three relics, that's 9 CP to play with (DVoS, hellfire, flakk, WoA, re-roll are the big ones). Hopefully it's not too small an amount Warlord either Captain (GoF/AoW) or Astorath (Soulwarden). If it's the former, at least my SG still get re-rolls! Contemptor (using Wisdom of Ancients), Lieutenant, Ancient babysit the Devastators and the Tacticals Smash does his thing, the rest of the jump packers move up behind the Scouts (or where needed) Sticking with the Terminators as that's the dual threat part of the list (alongside the SG). They often delete something on arrival but they die so quickly! Assassin to give me some more oomph and flexibility where necessary Astorath can be switched for The Sanguinor at the cost of the Attack Bike and some gear on the Lieutenant, however, considering I often end up using the Sanguinor like a Smash Captain with relic blade, Astorath may be better. Also, he can buff with Mass of Doom before he moves away from the bubble. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5310356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnean Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) Still not a fan of the termies. Vanguard veterans with stormshields might be alot scarier IMO. Not sure if you have those modeled or no though haha. Also: what about standard of sacrifice? Since youre troop heavy, might that not be more valuable then the veritas? Edited May 10, 2019 by Lynnean Jolemai 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5310539 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted May 10, 2019 Author Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) Thanks for the comment Lynnean :) I still haven't got any VAS modelled up and I do have the Standard of Sacrifice on the Sanguinary Ancient. Perhaps I should consider dropping my Terminators near that rather than go for targets of opportunity... Edited May 10, 2019 by Jolemai Lynnean 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5310662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted May 10, 2019 Author Share Posted May 10, 2019 One thing I'm really not happy with is the Shield of Sanguinius here as it's wasted on the Sanguinary Guard most of the time (AP-4/5 weapons see to always go elsewhere) and casting it on something else (Scouts, Librarian himself, whatever) doesn't seem to do much of note. What would be a decent alternative? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5310665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
keeblerartillery Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I think that quickening or wings are our two strongest powers. I would go with either or those over shield. Lynnean 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5310722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted October 8, 2021 Author Share Posted October 8, 2021 Used the following in a battle the other week. May change it going forward. 2000 "Troop Theme" TAC List Blood Angels Battalion Detachment HQ Astorath ~ Canticle of Hate, Mantra of Strength, Litany of Hate ~ Warlord Death Company Captain ~ Thunderhammer, stormshield, jump pack Librarian ~ Force stave, jump pack ~ Unleash Rage, Shield of Sanguinius, Smite Troops Tactical Squad (5) ~ Bolt pistol, chainsword ~ Heavy flamer Tactical Squad (5) ~ Combi-plasma, chainsword ~ Plasma gun Tactical Squad (5) ~ Combi-plasma, chainsword ~ Plasma gun Elites Death Company (5) ~ Jump pack ~ Bolt pistol and chainsword (5) Relic Contemptor Dreadnought ~ Two twin lascannon Sanguinary Ancient ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist ~ Icon of the Angel Sanguinary Guard (5) ~ Angelus boltgun, power fist (2) ~Angelus boltgun, encarmine sword (2) ~ Angelus boltgun, encarmine axe (1) Scout Squad (5) ~ Boltgun, chainsword ~Boltgun (4) Heavy Support Devastator Squad (5) ~ Armorium Cherub ~ Bolter ~ Bolter (2) ~ Missile Launcher ~ Heavy bolter Rapier Carrier ~ Quad mortar Dedicated Transport Drop Pod ~ Storm bolter Drop Pod ~ Storm bolter Blood Angels Patrol Detachment HQ Sanguinary Priest ~ Boltgun, power sword, jump pack ~ Rites of War, Visage of Death Troops Tactical Squad (5) ~ Bolter, chainsword ~ Heavy bolter Musings 7 CP Ideally looking at Engage on All Fronts, Linebreaker All Tacticals go in Pods to (ideally) get midfield objectives. Devastator, Contemptor, Rapier near each other. Scouts off the board. DC should move at the start... Character blob with the SG either start or off the board. This list still needs finetuning. Some bits will be removed/added throughout the edition depending on how things go... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5751317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted October 8, 2021 Share Posted October 8, 2021 Needs more Death company! I was told 5 man squads of tacs was bad... But I don't know Jolemai 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350491-ba-2000-troop-spam-tac-list/#findComment-5751336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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