Chapter Master Valrak Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 So which Primarchs actually went toe to toe with each other at the Siege of Terra? The only one I heard about (I don't know if this is confirmed) was Mortartion vs Jaghatai Khan at the Space Port. Do we have any more information on other duels? Surely more should face each other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 From memory of the original HH story, don't think any of the primarchs had been set head to head, closest it came was the stare down between Sanguinius and Angron. Can't remember if that was before or after he broke ka'banda's back but think that particular scene will be retconned into being Angron as he's now in daemonhood plus Sanguinius already done this on Signus prime so would be surprised if this repeats at the siege Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 As @Blood Angel Scout said, ***officially*** the only things that have been canon was a staredown between Sanguinius and Angron and then the events on board the Vengeful Spirit (Sanguinius vs Horus; The Emperor vs Horus). That being said, there has (naturally) been quite a bit of ***speculation*** about others that may/could/should happen: Sanguinius vs Angron: actual fisticuffs Khan vs Mortarion, round 2 (round 1 was in the HH novel Scars) somebody vs Fulgrim some kind of showdown (whether actual 1:1 fight or more of a chess match) between Dorn and Perturabo Knowing BL, I would put money on the idea that they will say that the reason Dorn didn't get to Horus until after the Emperor was wounded is because he was caught up in a duel of his own (probably against someone like Lorgar). But again, (AFAIK) officially, there are no historical descriptions of actual duels at the SoT beyond the famous stuff aboard the Vengeful Spirit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slan Drakkos Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 IIRC, it was stated in an article from Black Library that Fulgrim would be going up against the Khan. Aside from that, I think Vulkan would be a solid match up for Morty. I'd rather not see Sanguinius go up against his brothers, we already know that's he dies on the Spirit of Vengeance, so any fight against his tainted brothers (while epic) would ultimately be a forgone conclusion. Likewise, I don't want to see Dorn fighting his brothers as he was a far better tactician than fighter. He should be in the command center telling everyone where to go and what to do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Wouldn't bet my money on Lorgar vs. Horus. The last time did not end well for poor little archtraitor. Somehow, I can imagine a Vulkan vs. Fulgrim fight, IF Vulkan will actively participate. Haven't read Old Earth so I don't know his exact role in the Siege. Someone would need to take care of Angron and Magnus, as well. All traitor Primarchs participated, right? Difficult to deal with them all with only 4 loyal ones and Valdor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 We definitely need to see a major moment for Sanguinius, one that allows him to really let loose. If that does not happen I would consider it a massive missed opportunity. Sanguinius vs a fully unleashed Angron would be a good opportunity but I see more scenario's than just that one. As mentioned, Fulgrim vs Khan has been mentioned/hinted at already by BL. That could mean the Khan faces Fulgrim and Mortarion at some points. I like Vulkan as well as someone who could really get a good moment here. Dorn also. Seeing some of Horus' immense chaotic power and potential during the Siege would be essential to me. Finally, Magnus, very much interested in his Siege appearances. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Valrak Posted October 18, 2018 Author Share Posted October 18, 2018 IIRC, it was stated in an article from Black Library that Fulgrim would be going up against the Khan. Aside from that, I think Vulkan would be a solid match up for Morty. I'd rather not see Sanguinius go up against his brothers, we already know that's he dies on the Spirit of Vengeance, so any fight against his tainted brothers (while epic) would ultimately be a forgone conclusion. Likewise, I don't want to see Dorn fighting his brothers as he was a far better tactician than fighter. He should be in the command center telling everyone where to go and what to do. To be fair, Dorn will duel but not in the physical sense, it will be a duel of tactics against Pert which I really look forward to seeing. I would love Khan to go against Fulgrim and teach him a lesson :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Yeah, I want the Dorn/Perturabo showdown to be more akin to chessmasters facing off across the board (or two 40k players :p ). They should be both in their command centres, deploying and redeploying troops against each other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 From memory of the original HH story, don't think any of the primarchs had been set head to head, closest it came was the stare down between Sanguinius and Angron. Can't remember if that was before or after he broke ka'banda's back but think that particular scene will be retconned into being Angron as he's now in daemonhood plus Sanguinius already done this on Signus prime so would be surprised if this repeats at the siege i actually liked the stare down match as originally depicted and would prefer it to an actual brawl. it gave the impression there was possibly some sort of psychic/mental component to it all beyond bam pow whack Yeah, I want the Dorn/Perturabo showdown to be more akin to chessmasters facing off across the board (or two 40k players ). They should be both in their command centres, deploying and redeploying troops against each other. a heated game of jenga would sort things out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I hope for as few QCQ duels as possible, honestly. These are two colossal forces coming to a head, it's time to see the primarchs lead rather than throw themselves into their brother's swords. The ones extrapolated out of old lore don't rankle too much, Jaghatai v Fulgrim and Sanguinius v Angron could be fun, especially if one of the daemon primarchs got banished. Would help add some weight to what's generally "I thought it would look cool, story be damned" when it comes to these primarch punch-ups. A video-chat between Pert and Dorn wouldn't be unwelcome either. Heck, give them some naval duels. Seeing one take another's fleet apart would be more than satisfactory, and stay meaningful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karden00 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 A video chat between Dorn and Pert would be incredible. For me, the tensest moment of KNF was the hololith chat between Guilliman and Lorgar. The resentment of those two pales to nothingness next to that of Dorn and Pert. Both could be so smugly confident. Glorious. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I feel like Dorn wouldn't be smug. I'd love to see a reprise of The Lightning Tower Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramis K Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Dorn has already had his big duel against Alpharius right at the start of the war for Terra, so I think it's unlikely he'll cross swords with another brother. I think Sanguinius needs a big epic against Angron, just to show him at peak power and glory before he takes on Horus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Shift Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 It's a shame they can't have sanguinious make a surprise traitor primarch kill. So far he hasn't seemed to do much to justify his reputation. Fulgrim killed and subsequently resurrected ala lucius, for example. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarnii Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Alpharius vs corax as corax slowly infiltrates and takes down the traitor fleet from behind Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Surely you mean Omegon vs Corax Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
karden00 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I feel like Dorn wouldn't be smug. I'd love to see a reprise of The Lightning Tower I think mayhaps he may be. Recall that very old bit of canon, where Horus asks Dorn if he and The Fists could hold against any attacker at (I think it was?) The Imperial Palace and this sets Perturabo off on a rage? All respect to Dorn, but how one could estimate that they could hold against any attacker.... especially in the face of an intense rivalry.... sure... Dorn wasn't being smug at all... sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I figure that as Dorn assuming that He would be with them. Regardless, nothing in his character suggests arrogance, let alone smugness. This isn't to say that Dorn didn't underestimate the effectiveness of "throwing men at walls". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedor Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I agree with Roomsky and hope we don't get too many inconclusive CQC duels. As those pile up, it diminishes the impact of the very few that did have lethal consequences and starts getting too cape comics for me. It's a tough spot for the writer as confrontations are expected, i just hope they can be sufficiently inventive. With a lot of the traitors already being demon-primarchs or in other ways chaotically boosted it should be interestingto see how the loyalists tackle them. Sanguinius brute forcing an ascended Angron, or the Khan winning a sword duel with a now four armed Fulgrim is not really something i want to see. Sanguinius badly needs his big moments , but i wouldn't like to see it tackled in a way that goes against all the evidence we've had so far that the Chaos primarchs have gone beyond their brothers in terms of raw power and tend to need a bit more thought to defeat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5176888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taliesin Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Alpharius vs corax as corax slowly infiltrates and takes down the traitor fleet from behind I think Thorpe has said that Corax HH journey ends with Weregeld. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5177195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Khan vs. Fulgrim in some form has been confirmed I believe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5177250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Not that I know of, but Khan Vs Mortarion has certainly been teased in a 40K book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5177305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Yeah, Khan vs Fulgrim was definitely mentioned somewhere, although I can’t remember where. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5177374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Carrion Throne Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5177397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 m_r_parker heard it at a seminar...seems pretty legit: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/344194-waitshowdown-between-warhawk-and-phoenician-confirmed/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/350688-siege-of-terra-primarch-duels/#findComment-5177400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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