TempestBlade Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 So I read the rumor on Farient that there is a NAMED Primaris chapter coming up and that had me thinking. What if they did a book of pure primaris stuff. So you still have your first founding vallina chapter with the old space marines and a book of the new Primaris only chapters. That would push Primaris and still let ppl have there old style chapters. So what primaris chapters? 1) Emperors Spears 2) Blades of Vengeance (DA chapter but keep all the Da stuff in the DA book (ie Ravenwing, Deathwing etc) 3) Rift Stalkers 4) Wolf Spears (something like that. The SW one. Same as above with DA) Might be interesting. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axineton Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Castellans of the Rift Sons of the Phoenix Fulminators Any of those three please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Emperor Spears are not Ultima founding Have no particular preferences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I really want to know what GW is going to do with the Sons of the Phoenix. They're so obviously made from Fulgrims geneseed lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redmapa Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Seems a bit counter productive in my opinion, if you are making one astartes book to rule them all then just do it and make chapter tactics be like traits in 4th edition so anyone can be anything, call it codex imperialis and have it with a focus on new Primaris lore with the old chapters serving as the background lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Despite not being Ultima Founding, I also feel Emperor's Spears colours kind of disqualify them here too. They don't diverge enough from Ultra colours to make it stand out as a new Chapter, imho. I think they'd need a noticeably different colour scheme to hopefully let them stand out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 It will be the black-ish Templars lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 You can see a list of the known Ultima (27th) Founding Chapters here. If the Emperor's Spears are an Ultima Founding Chapter, that is a retcon. The Chapter has existed since they were first shown in the 2004 How to Paint Space Marines, pre-dating the 7th/8th edition Primaris lore. I don't see a need for a separate codex segregating Primaris Astartes from legacy Adeptus Astartes. The legacy Chapters have incorporated the Primaris Astartes to one degree or another and players can choose whatever ratio they desire of Primaris:legacy in their armies. There would be too much overlap in terms of lore to make such a book viable. While there are some players that might want either pure Primaris or pure legacy, there are many players that want both, so they would be forced to buy two codices that might not share keywords, diminishing their armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axineton Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I really want to know what GW is going to do with the Sons of the Phoenix. They're so obviously made from Fulgrims geneseed lol Same here mate. Hope they flesh out a few of the new chapters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Emperors Spears Definetly aren’t ultimate founding, they have been around for ages. The black library blurb for the new book is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shinespider Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 This has happened before. The usual canon reconciliation is to say that the original Spears were destroyed and the new chapter is a re-founding, adopting their old name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I believe ADB would have known about such a change then tho but he himself said that the Emperor Spears aren't a Primaris-only chapter afaik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Yeah ADB said himself they are a mixed chapter, with a long history prior to the great rift opening. I believe from the information that has been released so far they have a feud of some sort with the aurora chapter from millennia previous, and that their initial shipment of Primaris they were due to receive from the Indomitus crusade were lost crossing the Rift, and that they only have Primaris that they have made themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted November 5, 2018 Author Share Posted November 5, 2018 Ok so the Spears are out but I think it would be cool to have some more chapter tactics out there for the primaris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 The rumour could be wrong aswell. I find it weird pushing a new chapter when we have plenty others that could use the spotlight... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boldthreat Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I understand the sentiment Sete. But I hope this pans out. The ultima founding was a big deal supposedly so I hope we start seeing this fleshed out more. We need a Primaris only chapter, with characters and more. Hopefully it's a great excuse to show how they organize as a chapter... Particularly in regards to their First Company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I understand the sentiment Sete. But I hope this pans out. The ultima founding was a big deal supposedly so I hope we start seeing this fleshed out more. We need a Primaris only chapter, with characters and more. Hopefully it's a great excuse to show how they organize as a chapter... Particularly in regards to their First Company. I agree with this aswell. But i do think they need the range expanded to do so. If this release actually tackles these issues it will have my full support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autek mor Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 hmmmm......can't see it happening. collectors of long standing chapters would be pissed given the current state of their armies. if it does happen then i would predict that GW would do it only after long standing chapters got new specific primaris units like blood angels having primaris death company or something unique to them. then it would be fair to go full primaris on a new chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 hmmmm......can't see it happening. collectors of long standing chapters would be pissed given the current state of their armies. if it does happen then i would predict that GW would do it only after long standing chapters got new specific primaris units like blood angels having primaris death company or something unique to them. then it would be fair to go full primaris on a new chapter. I disagree. A new Primaris only chapter taking centre stage for a short bit in the narrative does not affect collectors of long-standing chapters. They can still collect, and are still supported. Getting something new is preferable to a rehash of current things, even if it's just a new piece of the ongoing story or rules for a new chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkyHamHam Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I can totally see it. Giving more fluff pages to the Primaris. More doctrine written about the Ultima Founding chapters. Basically just make one of the Primaris chapters "famous,"and give them a special character or two. Exactly Crimsons... Fists and Slaughter respectively. Just elevate them to a status that gives them a reason to exist. All for marketing of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I can totally see it. Giving more fluff pages to the Primaris. More doctrine written about the Ultima Founding chapters. Basically just make one of the Primaris chapters "famous,"and give them a special character or two. Exactly Crimsons... Fists and Slaughter respectively. Just elevate them to a status that gives them a reason to exist. All for marketing of course. It would be especially fun if it ends up being infamy over fame. I think a lot of people are expecting the other shoe to drop at some point since it seems inevitable that something darker will come from Primaris. They can't ride this hopeful sense of optimism forever thinking Primaris is the perfect solution to what ails the Imperium. The longer it feels like this hope will last, the sweeter it will be when they hit the grim and take it all away. Kind of like the current shift for the Stormcast in AoS. There's a sense of something dark coming for Primaris. That's how I feel anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Rift Stalkers ... because Raven Guard. Although I'd prefer Necropolis Hawks because Color scheme ... and ... also Raven Guard. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/7/7b/NecropolisHawksMiniature.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted November 6, 2018 Author Share Posted November 6, 2018 Wouldnt just getting primaris specialist (death company etc) be seen as boring and have a ton of people crying that the sky is falling and that old marines are being phased out? If primaris had its own codex you can have new chapters with new characters and still not alienate the old chapters. You want primaris? Here’s a book. You want old marines? Another book. Make the primaris one a supplement book so 30$ or something. I say that as I almost have a whole Demi company of Blades of Vengeance painted and based (basing is a new thing for me) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 It would be really interesting to see what a Primaris only chapter looks like in the rules. Right now, you can opt to build a Primaris only force, but you aren't functionally limited to that in any way. A Primaris only chapter would need a special rule limiting you to Primaris keyword units, and I wonder what type of bonus they would get to offset that limitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autek mor Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 hmmmm......can't see it happening. collectors of long standing chapters would be pissed given the current state of their armies. if it does happen then i would predict that GW would do it only after long standing chapters got new specific primaris units like blood angels having primaris death company or something unique to them. then it would be fair to go full primaris on a new chapter. I disagree. A new Primaris only chapter taking centre stage for a short bit in the narrative does not affect collectors of long-standing chapters. They can still collect, and are still supported. Getting something new is preferable to a rehash of current things, even if it's just a new piece of the ongoing story or rules for a new chapter. i dunno man, i still see see some salt about primaris here and elsewhere. that said, people will definitely buy into it if its competitive on the tabletop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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