Morovir Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Servo-arms have dropped to 0 points, so a base unit of servitors has dropped to 20 points. Shame the unit size is still the same. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Scans of the points changes from CA for AdMech: https://imgur.com/gallery/kTqk7Pz Lots of points drops. Knight stuff looks like it is just in-line with the IK codex. But it appears they dropped points on the following unit base cost (based on comparisons in Battlescribe....so not sure if I'm entirely accurate: Ironstrider Ballistarii Kataphron Breachers and Destroyers Sicarian Infiltrators and Ruststalkers Onager Tech-Priest Dominus and Enginseer This wasn't just Admech, it's all almost all the point changes, seems that IK were not really touched other then lowering of some weapons. I am quite happy about this myself! It looks like I could probably afford to have one more squad of breachers in my knight and admech list with these major point drops (I need to fill out my troop slots for some reason... not because of rules but because I like having tons of dudes.) or even one more onager with an eradication beamer. everything seems to be coming up for us, buuuuuut as I said earlier in the thread, if everyone is getting point drops, no one is getting point drops my only question is where the glitching heck is the magera's point drops? Any highlights? A bit hard to do the calculations right now. From what I have seen? neutron onagers are around 120 points now, breachers are around 90 points for a squad if I read it right, dominus is around 90 points, cavilers dropped to 11 and imperial knights remain umolested enough to capitalize on these points Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 A few disappointments / surprises: - Guard remain almost unchanged where it counts while Thousand Sons received sweeping point drops. These are two of the best performing factions in the competitive scene statistically, solo and souped... - No increase to the Castellan (very shocked by this). - Still no vehicle squadrons for Onagers :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosteldar Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Regarding some Forgeworld units/Knights, it seems as if we are still missing a few pages in the scanned leaks. So, hopefully the Forgeworld Knights are on those pages! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clingy Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 As someone who is about 3 weeks away from finally getting his Castellan on the table...I am ok with no nerfs to Castellan points. What I am suprised is no nerf to the raven stratagem. In al honesty how many times have we seen a Castellan that wasn’t raven. In any tournament I’d say it’s under 1% Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Regarding some Forgeworld units/Knights, it seems as if we are still missing a few pages in the scanned leaks. So, hopefully the Forgeworld Knights are on those pages! I thought this, but no. It states that where nothing is listed, this is deliberate, and you continue to use the points in the last published location/codex. Everything seems to be present page wise, so expect no changes to Knight Chassis points - GW or FW. Weapons only it seems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
frosteldar Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Regarding some Forgeworld units/Knights, it seems as if we are still missing a few pages in the scanned leaks. So, hopefully the Forgeworld Knights are on those pages! I thought this, but no. It states that where nothing is listed, this is deliberate, and you continue to use the points in the last published location/codex. Everything seems to be present page wise, so expect no changes to Knight Chassis points - GW or FW. Weapons only it seems. True, but in the scans, I thought Page 137 was missing from the Forgeworld points section? I saw 135, 136, and 138. As someone who is about 3 weeks away from finally getting his Castellan on the table...I am ok with no nerfs to Castellan points. What I am suprised is no nerf to the raven stratagem. In al honesty how many times have we seen a Castellan that wasn’t raven. In any tournament I’d say it’s under 1% Well, they did increase the cost of some of the stratagems and hit CP recycling a little in the Big FAQ 2, so perhaps they are waiting to see how that plays out? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nord in Gravis Armour Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Regarding some Forgeworld units/Knights, it seems as if we are still missing a few pages in the scanned leaks. So, hopefully the Forgeworld Knights are on those pages! I thought this, but no. It states that where nothing is listed, this is deliberate, and you continue to use the points in the last published location/codex. Everything seems to be present page wise, so expect no changes to Knight Chassis points - GW or FW. Weapons only it seems. I haven't seen any Forge World pages after "Orks." Pretty sure "Questor Imperialis" will show up in the next page or two. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nord in Gravis Armour Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Regarding some Forgeworld units/Knights, it seems as if we are still missing a few pages in the scanned leaks. So, hopefully the Forgeworld Knights are on those pages! I thought this, but no. It states that where nothing is listed, this is deliberate, and you continue to use the points in the last published location/codex. Everything seems to be present page wise, so expect no changes to Knight Chassis points - GW or FW. Weapons only it seems. True, but in the scans, I thought Page 137 was missing from the Forgeworld points section? I saw 135, 136, and 138. 137 is out of order in the imgur album. It's the page containing Death Korps of Krieg. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazy_tuco Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Looking at the price drop to Kataphrons, I'm now very interested to see their formation details in Vigilus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Some great points drops on this for us. Cawl down by 50 Dominus down by 35 Engineseer down by 17 Breachers can come in down 30 Destroyers can come in down 45 Arquebus down 10 Plasma caliver down 3 Infiltrators down 20 Datasmith down 3 Ruststalkers down 8 or 5 per model depending on loadout Ironstrider down 15 Onager icarus down 23 with stubber Neutron onager down 26 with 2 x stubber I couldnt make out the incendine combustor or Botfists costs but i think about a 16 pt reduction. Anyone else know for sure? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209392 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xisor Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 "If everyone drops, no-one drops" I hope people don't *actually* believe that. If everything's dropped in proportion, sure, but that's painfully not the case. As for things like Thousand Sons and Castellans and Guard... If everyone else's drops are *useful*, then increases aren't needed. Some drops might even align things properly... Especially with some wider rule changes. Im intrigued to start fiddling with lists now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I'm just hoping to use my 6 breachers and 6 destroyers again, all points drops are welcome! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 *Dancing* I can use servitors! So MUCH plasma! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I had a setup for Knights that was 2001pts that I can now use :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nord in Gravis Armour Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 The last page of FW changes turned up: https://imgur.com/a/QjcQNVK Only two FW Knight changes: Magaera and Lancer both go down in points (the Porphyrion change is just reprinted from 2017). Also the Autocannon's price was cut in half and the Castigator Bolt Cannon took an even deeper cut. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209618 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Some big changes! Cawl is a big winner. Am I reading this right, Techpriest servo arm is now free? That's another big drop making a really cheap HQ. How much is a unit of Sicaran infiltrators coming up under the new points? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clingy Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 5x = 90, 10x = 180 I believe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Man I'm just happy Knights didn't get any points increases, I was worried the Castellan would take a hit.The reductions to Cawl and Tech Priests are a nice bonus as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 The last page of FW changes turned up: https://imgur.com/a/QjcQNVK Only two FW Knight changes: Magaera and Lancer both go down in points (the Porphyrion change is just reprinted from 2017). Also the Autocannon's price was cut in half and the Castigator Bolt Cannon took an even deeper cut. more than a little disapointed by the lack of changes, and the magera in general. It only dropped 60 points, and yea while it is more in line with a styx it's still as expensive than the crusader I use while not putting out as much damage. Dissapointing, as I wanted it to be maybe more in line with a paladin or something. (that and the model I got is stuck with the stupid claw which boosts the cost up by a lot. I gotta try it, but you know it's kinda dissapointing when the styx is still the top of the line between the two. my question is why FW thinks it's so good.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Did the Melta gun for Imperial Knights and Armiger Warglaives also drop in price? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Well, this is a mixed blessing. I'm happy to take the points drops, but damn, now I've got even more to paint. I've got Priests and Infiltrators waiting in the wings, and now I'll definitely have room... maybe for both. *sigh* I have a creeping feeling that my current list is about to get an overhaul. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImperialSquishiness Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Did the Melta gun for Imperial Knights and Armiger Warglaives also drop in price?Yes. 14 instead of 17 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorNese Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 At least skitarii got no reduction - painting a few dozen more would have taken a long time. All HQs got significantly cheaper. Especially with enginseers going down more than 1/3 of their price makes them auto-include to fill up battallions. 165p for 5 CP, with 2 repair guys - great. With servitors going down in points while not being affected by all those -1 armies any more, those might be an option now. Speaking of which - does anyone have confirmation what -1 armies now get? Some say "cover in the open" some say "better cover save". Either way, omnispex might become useful again. And if it's "cover in the open", stygies might become fun - auto shroudpsalm all the time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finkmilkana Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 As far as I know -1 armies still get -1. As expected, there are no rules changes in the book besides data sheets unless multiple reviewers completely missed it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351282-ca-speculations/page/4/#findComment-5209997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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