Silverson Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 just picked out a few relevent ones i saw. Baal pred -10 death company dread -10 with ccw's going down -30 for talons and -10 for fists furioso dread -20 frag cannon -8 Libby dread -20 Sanguinary anciant -20 vanguard vets and assault marines with jump packs -1 ppm special characters Astorath -38 Mephiston +15 Datne -40 The Sanguinor -20 Lemartes -29 power fists -3 inferno pistol -2 plasma pistol -2 A massive missed opportunity not fixing encarmine weapons tho (unless its fixed some other way). Fists all around then it looks. absolutely fantastic on Dante, The sanguinor, Sanguinary anciant and dreads tho. baal pred probably still not worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5208942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Missile Launchers are now 20. That's the most balanced changed I've seen in a long time. Perfect price point for them. A basic analysis I did based on the Dark Angel leaks so far (from: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351833-chapter-approved-and-vigilus-defiant-pre-order-next-week/?p=5208873 ) Hidden Content Unit Price Before CA 2.0 Price Change (Red = increase) ASM jump 16 15 1.00 Company Vet 16 14 2.00 Contemp Dread 98 88 10.00 DW Cataphract 30 26 4.00 DW Knights 45 35 10.00 DW Tartaros 26 23 3.00 DW Term 26 23 3.00 Dreadnought 70 60 10.00 Drop Pod 83 63 20.00 Hunter 90 80 10.00 Intercessor 18 17 1.00 Interrogator-Chap 85 80 5.00 Int Chap Term 125 100 25.00 Inter Chap Jump 103 95 8.00 Land Raider 239 200 39.00 Land Raider Crusader 244 200 44.00 LR Redeemer 244 180 64.00 Libby Term 120 102 18.00 Master (Capt) Cataphractii 126 95 31.00 Master Gravis 102 90 12.00 Master Term 105 95 10.00 Primaris Chap 85 77 8.00 Primaris Master 87 78 9.00 RW Attack Bike 35 25 10.00 RW Bike 25 21 4.00 RWBK 46 38 8.00 RW Dark Talon 140 180 (40.00) RW Land Speeder 70 50 20.00 Redempt Dread 140 105 35.00 Repulsor 210 185 25.00 Scout Bike 23 21 2.00 Servitors 2 5 (3.00) Venerable Dread 90 80 10.00 Sorry for formatting; best I can do at the given moment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5208950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Does that even apply to us? From the leaks we've only had wargear and Character changes, or have I skimmed that wrong? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5208967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Does that even apply to us? From the leaks we've only had wargear and Character changes, or have I skimmed that wrong? Cross referencing the DA leaks with the SM leaks coming out, I think it's safe to say that we'll see similar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5208969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornithologist Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Also, I've seen some more leaks on facebook, that I cannot link over here, that are very similar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5208980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Also, I've seen some more leaks on facebook, that I cannot link over here, that are very similar. Since Encarmine weapons aren't dropping, have you seen anything about the base cost of Sang Guard dropping? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5208985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 BA leaks on another page !! https://imgur.com/gallery/d8Ae4TN Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5208990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornithologist Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 https://m.imgur.com/a/ldiBCNR Got the other leak info. No change to sang guard on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5208992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Also, I've seen some more leaks on facebook, that I cannot link over here, that are very similar. Since Encarmine weapons aren't dropping, have you seen anything about the base cost of Sang Guard dropping? the blood angels unit entries are on natfka, no sanguianry gued drops on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5208996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 BA leaks on another page !! https://imgur.com/gallery/d8Ae4TN I'm still just seeing the Wargear/HQ's. Anything on base units yet? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5208999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Sang Ancient down 20 points. BA leaks on another page !! https://imgur.com/gallery/d8Ae4TN I'm still just seeing the Wargear/HQ's. Anything on base units yet? Scroll down! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 BA leaks on another page !! https://imgur.com/gallery/d8Ae4TN I'm still just seeing the Wargear/HQ's. Anything on base units yet? which ones do you wnat dude? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Baal is still 20 points more expensive for 1 wound more and no carrying capacity (vs Razor) ..... IDIOTS.....how can they be this stupd?!!?!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornithologist Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 As these go, I'm almost optimistic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 No Change to DC either. ....... man, they better be planning something <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 It's possible they are on their own page, look at the way they have the Craftworlds Units entries broken up. First they give non-unique units then the named stuff in its own box. I'm pretty sad that Tacticals are going unchanged though, but then again, maybe the drops to weapon prices will increase their efficacy? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Veterans dropped to 14 though, and intercessors to 17, and all Dreadnoughts got a 10 pt. reduction it seems. OOH: Libby Dread dropped 20 pts and ReDread dropped 35 pts! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 It's possible they are on their own page, look at the way they have the Craftworlds Units entries broken up. First they give non-unique units then the named stuff in its own box. I'm pretty sad that Tacticals are going unchanged though, but then again, maybe the drops to weapon prices will increase their efficacy? im looking at the BA page, sadly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
H311fi5h Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Veterans dropped to 14 though, and intercessors to 17, and all Dreadnoughts got a 10 pt. reduction it seems. OOH: Libby Dread dropped 20 pts and ReDread dropped 35 pts! With the Furioso Fist dropping as well the libby dread gets 30 points cheaper in total! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 This is so odd. Libby Dread was expensive but he was useful and had a purpose and I regularly took him even when he was up to 170-180 pts. Tacticals, Death Co and SGuard, who've been tough to include, get untouched. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 This is so odd. Libby Dread was expensive but he was useful and had a purpose and I regularly took him even when he was up to 170-180 pts. Tacticals, Death Co and SGuard, who've been tough to include, get untouched. + the Baal. Yup. Madness. I'm going to work with what I've been given, but the very notion that these units weren't touched is absolutely beyond the scope of my comprehension. I'm expecting nothing, but holding out for a hail mary rule change to them. Otherwise I'm convinced they have absolutely no idea what theyre doing with this particular faction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I think they just go by scuttlebut and hearsay "oh man! Death Company are so OP! You see them in every BA list!" but don't do any actual analysis on who/what/when/where/why/how. I wonder if they are able to discern between something being taken a lot because it's OP and something taken a lot because it's one of the few viable options. That being said, overall, things are starting to move in the right direction. The % drops here and there won't radically change things, but I think it's a start and will allow us to squeeze in an extra unit or so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Alot of fun changes for pick up games, looking forward to trying out my dread/jumper list. I also play IG and feel like got more of a buff than BA and there are other factions that got some huge changes. For tournaments i'd say we jumped down to the absolute bottom tier as a mono faction (IMO) Imperial soup got a solid buff as the core IG units are slightly cheaper overall and the BA cherry picked units dropped a significant amount. Guess we have to wait another 12 months Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolchiate Remembrancer Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 This is so odd. Libby Dread was expensive but he was useful and had a purpose and I regularly took him even when he was up to 170-180 pts. Tacticals, Death Co and SGuard, who've been tough to include, get untouched. + the Baal. Yup. Madness. I'm going to work with what I've been given, but the very notion that these units weren't touched is absolutely beyond the scope of my comprehension. I'm expecting nothing, but holding out for a hail mary rule change to them. Otherwise I'm convinced they have absolutely no idea what theyre doing with this particular faction. which is why i've moved into house ruling them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Vanguard Vets/Company Vets with stormshield are clear winners. You want durability? 19 PPM with stormshield and covered by Standard of Sac, 3++/5+++ for 19 ppm. Yes please. RIP Death Company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/4/#findComment-5209204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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