Indefragable Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Do this means that Company Vets w/ jump are unchanged since they are not in the Codex? Or would they go down 2pts as well? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5209846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkhanist Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Do this means that Company Vets w/ jump are unchanged since they are not in the Codex? Or would they go down 2pts as well? They aren't listed in CA 2018, so they keep their index unit price. A further disincentive to build them (if you don't already have em) instead of vanguard vets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5209874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonExarch Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Do they still benefit from the wargear reductions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5209954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Yes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5209995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I like how much Dreadnoughts came down after wargear. Between my two TLLC dreads, a fragioso, and a libnaught I’m seeing over 100 pts less! That’s almost enough for a whole ‘nuther TLLC Dreadnought Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Not happy that the Fireraptor has gone up in points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 I think I'm most happy that my DCDread came down a lot of points.i think he's more appropriate points wise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynnean Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Gosh, i love the fact my dreadnought list can take a whole extra dread! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Echoing some other’s lamentations; I really hope they make encarmine weapons something special to account for not reducing their points. Same with Angelus bolters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Looks like they forgot about them... Do they make erratas to CAs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 If necessary, of course. Once the book is out feel free to contact GW *constructively* about any concerns/suggestions. Oversight, or otherwise, it is their intent for now that a niche unit pays extra for a weapon we hit without penalty on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 They did for the last one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The4thHorseman Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I really just want 2 things, Make DC WORTH 20 ppm (5+ FnP), and Fix what they messed up with FLY keyword ruling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Not a Sky is falling comment, just a statement of fact. I will withhold judgement until I’ve done a full analysis after the release. Based on what I’ve seem and heard so far, I won’t be purchasing it and will be writing to inform them that I will not be purchasing it. I suggest likewise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornithologist Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Not a Sky is falling comment, just a statement of fact. I will withhold judgement until I’ve done a full analysis after the release. Based on what I’ve seem and heard so far, I won’t be purchasing it and will be writing to inform them that I will not be purchasing it. I suggest likewise. And yet, I'll take any points reductons I can get, as my standard list got something along the lines of 100 points taken out of it. I can throw a cheap as bones Liutenent/ primaris liutenent in my firebase to give me some much needed extra re roles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 Not a Sky is falling comment, just a statement of fact. I will withhold judgement until I’ve done a full analysis after the release. Based on what I’ve seem and heard so far, I won’t be purchasing it and will be writing to inform them that I will not be purchasing it. I suggest likewise. I'll pick it up for the new missions but vigilus is more appealing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orblivion Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Not a Sky is falling comment, just a statement of fact. I will withhold judgement until I’ve done a full analysis after the release. Based on what I’ve seem and heard so far, I won’t be purchasing it and will be writing to inform them that I will not be purchasing it. I suggest likewise. I'll pick it up for the new missions but vigilus is more appealing. Problem there is that I haven't seen anything to suggest that there is any Blood Angels content in Vigilus, they don't seem to be involved at all. On the plus side, maybe that means they'll play a large role in the next Campaign. Also of note for Blood Angels, reviews are pointing out that the beta rules pertaining to deepstrike have not been made official. They are not in this edition of Chapter Approved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 Not a Sky is falling comment, just a statement of fact. I will withhold judgement until I’ve done a full analysis after the release. Based on what I’ve seem and heard so far, I won’t be purchasing it and will be writing to inform them that I will not be purchasing it. I suggest likewise. I'll pick it up for the new missions but vigilus is more appealing. Problem there is that I haven't seen anything to suggest that there is any Blood Angels content in Vigilus, they don't seem to be involved at all. On the plus side, maybe that means they'll play a large role in the next Campaign. Also of note for Blood Angels, reviews are pointing out that the beta rules pertaining to deepstrike have not been made official. They are not in this edition of Chapter Approved. Oh I started my all primaris Emp Spears just before ADB announced he was writing a book on them. So I do have that also! But I believe the intention was for all marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Ghost IX Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Hey all, Hope everybody has had a killer summer / fall. Looking more deeply at all the game changes over the last 9 months or so I think I missed some salad days for BA Jump Assault perhaps. GW left some overcosted balance issues unresolved to be sure looking at the leaks. At least looking at Baal Pred and such. That is what CA 2019 is for prolly? Or maybe if we all ask for Christmas, they will do a data card in WD next year. Since that is a thing soon it looks like... Hehheh... Yeah don't hold your breath kid. ----- What jumps out at me is dreads and cheaper vets like everybody else here. Welcome changes to leadership costs for the hero hammers. Maybe I will kick the treads on that Land Raider list again. I was loving my Libby Dread last spring, should be rocking the garage with that artisan halberd this winter too at some point. I am very happy that DCDN are much more fairly costed. I will be dusting mine off to use with rest of my forces at some point for certain! Unsure on the Fragioso, but likely to sit on shelf with the Baal Preds still. Veteran marines going down 2 pts base is most most welcome. However we decide to use em. Thinking the list I had kicking around with sternguard, command vets, and corbs etc in Rhinos/LR with DN advancing on objectives is much much much more fairly costed now. Off to scribble on something and come up with some working ideas... Where did I stack those lists from the Index Days? The old lady wouldn't chuck em right ?? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Also of note for Blood Angels, reviews are pointing out that the beta rules pertaining to deepstrike have not been made official. They are not in this edition of Chapter Approved. What about the silliness with FLY, that is still in, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5210624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 I'm beginning to agree with others that the point reductions are mainly there to make it easier to put together a brigade. I really dont understand some of the point swings or such a small tweak rather. Mort has hit on the Baal. It is such an iconic tank for us, and yet the AssBack is still better based on points. Overall I'm thinking a solid C on the grade scale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5211014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Hey you know, for what it's worth, you can always get a Baal Pred, take the sponsoons off, and play the model as an AssBack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5211062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I just don’t understand where their heads are at for so many things (like the Baal the fact that Encarmine are overpriced force weapons). The one cynical thing I can understand is that are pushing Primaris to the (near) exclusion of all else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5211316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I hope there are rules changes to these like allowing a baal Predator to shoot after advancing, or 3D encarmine weapons or something that makes the cost worth it. Definitely not holding my breath though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5211344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronos1985 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Not a Sky is falling comment, just a statement of fact. I will withhold judgement until I’ve done a full analysis after the release. Based on what I’ve seem and heard so far, I won’t be purchasing it and will be writing to inform them that I will not be purchasing it. I suggest likewise. I'll pick it up for the new missions but vigilus is more appealing. Problem there is that I haven't seen anything to suggest that there is any Blood Angels content in Vigilus, they don't seem to be involved at all. On the plus side, maybe that means they'll play a large role in the next Campaign. Also of note for Blood Angels, reviews are pointing out that the beta rules pertaining to deepstrike have not been made official. They are not in this edition of Chapter Approved. Blood Angels have a high likelihood to be in the next book, worse case the third. It's been heavily alluded to based off attendees reactions at the previous GW event that Dante will bet primarisized, which would make sense having Dante take lead in book 2 given he's the Regent of the Imperium Nihilus. Take it with a grain of salt, but it would make the most sense as there's no way anyone takes Guilliman's shine in the last book against Abaddon (potential other Primarch). My only question is...do we get upgraded units with Dante...Primaris SG perhaps? >_> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351318-ba-and-ca-20/page/6/#findComment-5211350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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