Tyriks Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Do you have a source on that? I think the ruling was based on "setting up," not on being reserves. The thing I saw was that the part about "setting up" was removed from the FAQ, and now only counts against models that are actually coming in as "reserves" not models that just started on the table. Thats the way it is RAW due to the FAQ part 2. Least as far as I am aware. The BRB still says a unit set up mid-turn can't move any further that turn. It's only the FAQ that lets them charge at all. I don't think you could warptime them, raw. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5208503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 It would be nice to see the Icon do something other than mortal wounds. We already have smite spam and the mutalith. Do we really need more? It'd be nice to see a defensive bonus on it. Perhaps a bonus to overwatch, or something to deter melee attackers. Or an aura to help mitigate Perils even Or if we had some other trait, have the Icon boost power ranges. There's lots of things it could do that'd be more interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5208557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahzek451 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Agreed, I've echoed that the icon needs a more imaginative rule. It feels like a mega afterthought. GW employee 1 "Hey guys the codex goes to the printers tommarow!" GWE2 "Sounds good, man this rubric marine kit is so cool, what did you do with your icon of flame?" GWE1 "Icon of what? Aww nuts, better make a rule for this part. Quick, think of a rule that's super easy and barely works so theres no chance it could be considered OP" It would be awesome if it could be a throwback to the 3.5 codex and work like a talisman of tzeentch. Enemy Units within 12" are at -1 for psy tests. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5208560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 -1 to psy tests seems a rare occurrence at least in my games. Do agree it needs something else and I still believe it should be a free bonus for the aspiring sorcerer. Maybe a 5+ save vs perils since it happens so much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5208767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Soulreaper cannon and warpflamer down to 10pts, Scarab Occult 30 (without wargear though). I'm not experienced enough with Sons to properly rate this, but it looks nice? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5208843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Hmm, what is a daemonic icon? If it is the icon of flame, it has gone up in points. I wonder what its new rules will be. If there is no change it will get out of the armoury even less than it does now. Wow the point reductions are pretty good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5208854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jivanmukta Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Hmm, what is a daemonic icon? If it is the icon of flame, it has gone up in points. I wonder what its new rules will be. If there is no change it will get out of the armoury even less than it does now. Wow the point reductions are pretty good. Daemonic Icon is for Horrors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5208865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 The unit of Rubric I run as a staple (10 strong, unit leader with stave, Soul Reaper) went from 220 to 195. A 25 point saving per squad. Very nice... The engines I run all dropped down in points, and the helbrutes I run all dropped in points. Loving what I am seeing. Also anyone else get the feeling that our terminator sorcerers are supposed to be auto-includes? feels more and more like it lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5208894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven1 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I don't have my codex in front of me but those look like pretty good changes. Edit: the flamer and screamer went down in points, but the horrors did not go down. Then why include them in the points table...unless its codifying FAQs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5208905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Termie sorcerers would be an auto include if daemon princes weren't even better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5208908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 It's really good, Daemons got some nice drops too, but now I'm wondering if it'll actually make a difference as it seems everyone is getting some nifty reductions? If so, seems that CA may be more directed at internal balances... which feels like a good thing to me. I'm getting my first Sons finished this week all going well, so I'm keen to make the most of these point changes :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5208911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Wow, right on for inferno rubrics!! 16 points w inferno is awesome! Warpflamer is where we heard it would land so good news there and also great news on SRC. Not quite the reduction on SOT though everybit helps i suppose (though i really was hoping for 26 as rumored) and dont see their bolters listed. Also happy that there is no increase to Goatbirds though I did not have a problem with them going up 1 point. Also heard on Dakka the we and GK still have mini smite... is that confirmed? Wasnt sure if there were rules tweeks elsewhere though probably not. Fantastic news on MVB also. Anyone plan on using a LOC? I want one though have held off. With a big reduction I am now seriously wanting one. What role do you think it best serves? I have also wanted to get a couple boxes of screamers and a full unit of splitting horrors. Though not a preferred strategy by most from what I have read I am better off having demons on the table rather than summoning though summoning seems fun. Throw some screamers at some tanks and horrors on objectives etc... though I know the Summoner cannot move and summon which would be cool for the LOC and of course disk sorcerers. I also play Nids as my 2nd army so double thanks! Yeah the Termie Sorcerer is a surprise. I thought we all took at least 1 all ready, lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5208982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Its not 16 points with inferno, its 16 points without it. The PISTOL became free, not the bolter, who is till 2 points. Any changes to smites for GK/TS are not confirmed or denied in any way. Then again, some people seem to have the book in hand (as pictures are floating), so most likely there is no such change. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Ah thanks Boom for that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterZorro Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I cant find the big one, magnus... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Well I still plan on rubrics anyway. I was surprised at first because a lot of standard wargear is free for a lot of troops though inferno bolters are certainly not standard and was not expecting a reduction at all for them. Yes a points reduction for Magnus would have been cool, must be another demon primarch on the way, lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Unit of 10 Rubrics now costs 195, down from 220. Unit of 5 Scarab Occult with full load out (reaper/missiles) is now 211, down from 238. All of our engines have also had significant point drops. Looks like our Daemon Engines and dust bunnies will be getting lots of table time Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Ok, I'm going to be the paranoid here. I suspect these are fake, along with the rest of the dump. I just find a fair bit of graphic mismatches when I zoom in to the text. not enough to be condemning (I'm no expert), but enough to make me suspect someone made a pretty good phtoshop, printed it, and then intentionally made medium-quality images to cover the blurs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209048 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Ok, I'm going to be the paranoid here. I suspect these are fake, along with the rest of the dump. I just find a fair bit of graphic mismatches when I zoom in to the text. not enough to be condemning (I'm no expert), but enough to make me suspect someone made a pretty good phtoshop, printed it, and then intentionally made medium-quality images to cover the blurs. They faked the entire book including new artwork showcased in the strategem section for ultras? Id like to meet this person and hire him for some graphic design work if thats the case lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 The "leak" isn't the entire book, its just the points update section, and not a single piece of artwork there is new. Also, just found another mismatch. why are bloodcrushers 47 points, exactly like the codex, even listed? Or why does the GK termi cost makes no sense. I'm sorry, but something is off here. even if not fake, its probably not the real CA but some sort of early version that got out somehow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 The "leak" isn't the entire book, its just the points update section, and not a single piece of artwork there is new. Also, just found another mismatch. why are bloodcrushers 47 points, exactly like the codex, even listed? Or why does the GK termi cost makes no sense. I'm sorry, but something is off here. even if not fake, its probably not the real CA but some sort of early version that got out somehow. In the Vigilus thread in rumors there are several pages from Vigilus as well with artwork behind the strategem page and such. The timing coincides. If these are fake i will be *very* impressed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skerr Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Unit of 10 Rubrics now costs 195, down from 220. Unit of 5 Scarab Occult with full load out (reaper/missiles) is now 211, down from 238. All of our engines have also had significant point drops. Looks like our Daemon Engines and dust bunnies will be getting lots of table time Good point Son I did not consider the other wargear combined with a 3 point reduction per modelThat is a great savings on a 5 man squad who usually is escorting a termie Sorcerer in my lists making the overll termie package better. Throw in a cheaper MVB to buff str and BAM! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoomWolf Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Something is off, and I said it first I don't know what, but mark my words something IS off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Yeah the Termie Sorcerer is a surprise. I thought we all took at least 1 all ready, lol. I guess they want to clear out their stock of these old kits. I'm still wondering why an exalted sorcerer cannot put on TDA and leaves the good armour for his apprentice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Forgefiends now 148. Land raider is now 297. Defiler with Reaper and scourge is 142!!! Missile/las Helbrute is 120. These are some dang good changes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351342-what-are-thousand-sons-hoping-for-from-chapter-approved/page/5/#findComment-5209178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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