Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 After reading Spear of the Emperor. The process to becoming a 2nd generation marine from 1st is going to be a high risk gamble. What all they have to do might mean Dante stays a 1st generation marine. I hope he survives of course. But I really think they could use this method to remove characters from the lore. If Dante were to survive, which I think it really would be a coin flip, he would indeed become much more powerful. They wont remove anyone with a model, see Death Company Tycho and normal Tycho still being in the dex, the only one that has ever been removed was the 3rd edition BA standard bearer who had the death shroud of Sang... and no model There's got to be something to change. Tycho is pretty much irrelevant now, unless they retcon him. His model has had the most upgrades over the years. So if they primarisize him then we will hopefully lose death company everything. Let the gen 1s suffer from the black rage, let the gen 2s suffer from the red thirst. In either case they need to make room for new primaris heroes and I believe the only way to do that is axe other characters. It may just be codex marines at first, but eventually it could move to the other codices and I'd be okay with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5216688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_Dew Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 I think they should get rid of Tycho completely from the dex and have a replacement Primaris Captain, Maybe we will see a Primarisised Corbulo instead of Dante, having his visions might be useful from an in universe point of view Spyros 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5216716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 Tycho won't get primarized. He's dead for good. He only still has rules because there's a model for him. Gederas 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5216734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_Dew Posted December 16, 2018 Share Posted December 16, 2018 and sadly taking up space in the Dex until his mold dies and the model sells out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5216845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Someone actually had a great point on Facebook. It had to do with the scrolls of Sanguinius from Dante saying "he wore a face of me but armor I do not recognize." He would have recognized Dante's artificer armor as it's pretty close to Sanguinary Guard. He would NOT have recognized Mk X armor. That's the gist of what the guy on Facebook said. Gederas, Dont-Be-Haten and Jorre 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5217101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Mark x is by far the best looking armor with mark IV being close 2nd! Ishagu and ShibeKing 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5217116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escaflowne_Z Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I prefer Mk..9? (the Grey Knight style). Primaris standard armor does look pretty good, except for the helmets. I don't like those, even though they are quite a bit more sensibe from a protection standpoint the the ole' mouth grille style. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5217125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Mk9 doesn't exist. Grey Knights are wearing Aegis Armour which exists outside of the regular armour marks (same as Terminator Armour and a bunch of others). It's based on Mark VI, VII and VIII designs according to the wikia. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5217134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escaflowne_Z Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Ah, that's right. Cawl skipped a number. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5217143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Because MarkX isn't supposed to be Mark10 iirc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5217154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Because MarkX isn't supposed to be Mark10 iirc. Yeah, it's X for X-ellent BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5217748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Because MarkX isn't supposed to be Mark10 iirc.Yeah, it's X for X-ellent By 90’s marketing schemes it would be Mark eXtreme. Arkangilos and Panzer 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5217805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Priphiston has me more hyped Jorre 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5217909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Dude it’s McFiston !!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5217979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orblivion Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Priphiston has me more hyped Rules wise I'm more interested in a Primaris Mephiston, but model wise I definitely want Dante. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5218192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 *sighs* It really confuses me that people want Primaris upgrades to existing characters and not just new Primaris characters. Where's the progression? There's a lot of adversity to overcome to be had in a character who is feeling insecure as to his future etc. It's what made Calgar interesting in Dark Imperium. He could have been embittered and a counter to the other aspects of the plot with a bit of nuance. Now all that has been obliterated and it's another super Marine who has no fears or doubts. Don't wish this on your characters. Wish for more. Wish for nuance and depth. Captain_Krash 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5219086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 I'm really just interested in Mephiston because I want to see what the future holds for him, especially in regards of his rather special situation with the Black Rage. That being said I don't think it's likely for him to undergo the process since he's becoming increasingly more careful and suspicious about his situation and crunch-wise he already has a better statline than regular Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5219114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Well I think the Rubicon has well and truly been crossed (see what I did there? :) ) so it is inevitable we'll see Primaris Mephiston. He's very 2nd edition right now. Regardless of background. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5219123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 *sighs* It really confuses me that people want Primaris upgrades to existing characters and not just new Primaris characters. Where's the progression? There's a lot of adversity to overcome to be had in a character who is feeling insecure as to his future etc. It's what made Calgar interesting in Dark Imperium. He could have been embittered and a counter to the other aspects of the plot with a bit of nuance. Now all that has been obliterated and it's another super Marine who has no fears or doubts. Don't wish this on your characters. Wish for more. Wish for nuance and depth. Mostly agree Idaho, didn't want primaris in the first place. But its here now, so may as well wish to get new models for Dante+Mephy, since they're literally some of the oldest models still being sold. Older than abby actually. With the ork wartruck replacements, they may be the oldest actually. Lasuria 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5219137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orblivion Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 *sighs* It really confuses me that people want Primaris upgrades to existing characters and not just new Primaris characters. Where's the progression? There's a lot of adversity to overcome to be had in a character who is feeling insecure as to his future etc. It's what made Calgar interesting in Dark Imperium. He could have been embittered and a counter to the other aspects of the plot with a bit of nuance. Now all that has been obliterated and it's another super Marine who has no fears or doubts. Don't wish this on your characters. Wish for more. Wish for nuance and depth. I don't really come to 40k for nuance and depth, I come for the badassery. And there's no denying that Dante is subpar right now both in terms of rules and model, so wishing for a new character instead would really just push Dante aside even further. I like Dante, I want him to be the centerpiece for my army as he should be and for that to happen he needs to get an update. What's wrong with that? Silverson and Gumo9 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5219199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin777 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 *sighs* It really confuses me that people want Primaris upgrades to existing characters and not just new Primaris characters. Where's the progression? There's a lot of adversity to overcome to be had in a character who is feeling insecure as to his future etc. It's what made Calgar interesting in Dark Imperium. He could have been embittered and a counter to the other aspects of the plot with a bit of nuance. Now all that has been obliterated and it's another super Marine who has no fears or doubts. Don't wish this on your characters. Wish for more. Wish for nuance and depth. I don't really come to 40k for nuance and depth, I come for the badassery. And there's no denying that Dante is subpar right now both in terms of rules and model, so wishing for a new character instead would really just push Dante aside even further. I like Dante, I want him to be the centerpiece for my army as he should be and for that to happen he needs to get an update. What's wrong with that? I guess just different strokes for different folks. I’m personally on the fence with this one. Definitely think he needs better rules though after CA he’s actually got a price that closer matches his performance on the tabletop. Though I agree he should have gotten a buff to match his price instead... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5219203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 *sighs* It really confuses me that people want Primaris upgrades to existing characters and not just new Primaris characters. Where's the progression? There's a lot of adversity to overcome to be had in a character who is feeling insecure as to his future etc. It's what made Calgar interesting in Dark Imperium. He could have been embittered and a counter to the other aspects of the plot with a bit of nuance. Now all that has been obliterated and it's another super Marine who has no fears or doubts. Don't wish this on your characters. Wish for more. Wish for nuance and depth. Over coming adversity. For a millennia Dante has been a super soldier, a ritualistic regime of training. What happens when you turn a super soldier into a more perfect version of himself? Stronger, faster, more agile, better than the old you in every way. Following the change and how our characters adapt to this is what I really want when I talk about the eventual evolution of our characters. Building a new character up is something they can do, like Felix of the 11th company Ultras and it would be great for both worlds Panzer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5219247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathstrider Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 I don't think they'd bother with a Primaris Mephiston - they'll do a new model for sure, but just say he was primaris sized already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5222564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 There's talk that the mephiston in the new WD is going to be a new model. Looks like the old one to me though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5222680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted December 24, 2018 Share Posted December 24, 2018 its definitely old. Dont-Be-Haten 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/351487-the-inevitable-primaris-dante/page/5/#findComment-5222687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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