Takana77 Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Greetings folks, Curious about some things with deathwatch armies and mixing other imperial detachments in. guess this falls under the "Imperial Soup" category perhaps lol. Since deathwatch doesn't really have all the great of long range anti-tank/anti-vehicle, been thinking of mixing in maybe an imperial gallant or some admech. bought the forgebane and renegade boxes during the holidays Admech has lots of units for sitting back and peppering all sorts of targets. they have ironstrider with AC's, onager with neutron - think its the neutron, and basic troops with sniper rifles/arquebuses. Knights look so cool on the table and mentally make the opponent want to focus fire or sweat bullets. House Mortan to me would be very fluffy (the entire host of monster hunters and constantly besieged by or on patrol for monsters/xeno/fauna in their home system all the time) and think their color scheme would look great with deathwatch on the table. a gallant with thunderfist and thermal cannon and some top carapace weapon pod (thinking icarus array for anti-air). Admech on paper seem to blend well with all their shooting complementing deathwatch marching/moving across the board to smash things... Knights on paper would seem to fill the anti-tank/vehicle roll and be a big fire magnet that would buy more time/attention to allow deathwatch units to close the gap... Curious though... How well or how effective on the table/board are these being added to deathwatch armies? ive noticed a few posts where folks talk about knights needing lots of command points sunk into them each round to make them effectively get their points back though. guess in order to make the the knight more survivable, i'd make him the warlord with ion bulwark and saint armor of whatever. smash captain should still be decent without warloard trait and not having the beacon wouldn't really hurt him specifically (there would be a JP libby close by trying to buff him with MoH). also curious about adding in some assassins (have the overkill box sitting in closet)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomortis Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I have no actual experience of running Imperial Knights with Deathwatch but plan to add a Knight and 2 Armigers soon. My thoughts: I think it would be the perfect combination with Deathwatch. If you go for the ranged variants they can sit back and take out targets from a distance, softening up targets for Deathwatch to move in and clean up. If you go for more melee orientated Knights then can soak up fire early giving the Deathwatch time to get into a position to hurt your opponent. The downside as you have already mentioned is the CP costs to run a Knight force successfully. Deathwatch are also notoriously CP heavy so how you use your 12cp will be key to success (12 = 3 battle forged, 6 for a DW battalion and 3 for a Superheavy Detachment). Lots of people bring the Loyal 32 but I personally feel it doesn't really fit in with an elite force. AdMech would also be a very good addition to add some ranged firepower. Also a lot cheaper in points to bring a battalion. Kastellan robots and onager dunecrawlers are absolute beasts at range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vel'Cona Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Yes to both. Just run all 3 :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-Gon Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Since I've added the Gallant to my list, I've not looked back. It is big, though enough to soak up a turn's fire which the Deathwatch needs to get into position to do its job, and is devastating enough in combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomortis Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I should have added - I think it would be a good idea to wait until after Chapter Approved 2018 is released before committing to any of the above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Since I've added the Gallant to my list, I've not looked back. It is big, though enough to soak up a turn's fire which the Deathwatch needs to get into position to do its job, and is devastating enough in combat. What weapon options do you like to set it up with please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-Gon Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Naked. Thunderstrike and reaper chainsword with the stubber. In truth I just throw it at the opponent and pray on the dice. Investing more than is absolutely necessary is pointless for a melee Knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 Do you ever run a ranged shooting knight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-Gon Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I'll maybe run a RFBC/AGC crusader with a top gun, but that's 500 pts and I am not yet ready to carve down my Deathwatch to make room for guns on a Knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted November 30, 2018 Share Posted November 30, 2018 I would definitely take the Paragon Gauntlet and the missile rack too. which House do you use Qui-Gon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takana77 Posted December 1, 2018 Author Share Posted December 1, 2018 I should have added - I think it would be a good idea to wait until after Chapter Approved 2018 is released before committing to any of the above. definitely! and actually, isn't that supposed to drop here soon? yeah for a super heavy knight detachment i was thinking ranged with the models i have/can get... 8th edition is all new to me (just got the brb-8th a few weeks back if that lol - lots of new stuff i'm trying to wrap my head around)... these were the 2 ways i was thinking of taking a 1k points dw army and growing it to make an "imperial soup" as folks keep terming it hehe... DW+IK 2k soup... Deathwatch Battalion Detachment (1222 points) HQ: 130 - Watch Captain - JP, SS, TH 122 - Librarian - JP, BP, Force Axe, "Might of Heroes" Troops: 261 - Veterans Squad 1x Watch Sergeant - Power Maul, SS 3x Veterans - CS, Stalker Pattern Boltgun 1x Veteran - ML 5x Vanguard Veterans - Power Maul, SS 152 - Veterans Squad 1x Watch Sergeant - Power Maul, SS 1x Black Guard - Power Axe, SS 3x Veterans - SB, CS 1x Veteran - DW Frag Cannon 152 - Veterans Squad 1x Watch Sergeant - Power Maul, SS 1x Black Guard - Power Axe, SS 3x Veterans - SB, CS 1x Veteran - DW Frag Cannon Elites: 165 - Venerable Dreadnought - ML, TLC Dedicated Transport: 120 - Razorback - TLC 120 - Razorback - TLC Imperial Knights Super-Heavy Detachment (778 points) Household Choice: Questor Imperialis - House Mortan Lord of War: 174 - Armiger Helverin - HS 174 - Armiger Helverin - HS 430 - Knight Errant - Warlord, "Ion Bulwark", "Armor of Sainted Ion", Thunderstrike Gauntlet, Twin Icarus Autocannon, HS 2x lazbacks, ven dread, 2x helverins, and knight with thermal cannon should be able to dish out some decent ranged attacks. i took the icarus to give me a decent AA attack. dread camps out in the back with the ML vet combat squad. captain and libby and vanguard vet combat squad bounce forward and thump things that need thumping. the other 2 squads hop in a lazback each and move up (hoping sarge and black shield with ss/power weapons provide some durability for their squads). the knights do their thing. alternatively... DW+AM 2k soup... Deathwatch Battalion Detachment (1210 points) HQ: 130 - Watch Captain - JP, SS, TH, Warlord, "Bane of Monstrosities", "The Beacon Angelis" 122 - Librarian - JP, BP, Force Axe, "Might of Heroes" Troops: 261 - Veterans Squad 1x Watch Sergeant - Power Maul, SS 3x Veterans - CS, Stalker Pattern Boltgun 1x Veteran - ML 5x Vanguard Veterans - Power Maul, SS 146 - Veterans Squad 1x Watch Sergeant - Power Maul, SS 4x Veterans - SB, CS 1x Veteran - DW Frag Cannon 146 - Veterans Squad 1x Watch Sergeant - Power Maul, SS 4x Veterans - SB, CS 1x Veteran - DW Frag Cannon Elites: 165 - Venerable Dreadnought - ML, TLC Dedicated Transport: 120 - Razorback - TLC 120 - Razorback - TLC Adeptus Mechanicus Battalion Detachment (790 points) Forge World Choice: Mars (not sure) HQ: 47 - Tech-Priest Enginseer 47 - Tech-Priest Enginseer Troops: 92 - Skitarii Rangers 1x Ranger Alpha - Galvanic Rifle, Omnispex 2x Skitarii Rangers - Galvanic Rifle 2x Skitarii Rangers - Transuranic Arquebus 92 - Skitarii Rangers 1x Ranger Alpha - Galvanic Rifle, Omnispex 2x Skitarii Rangers - Galvanic Rifle 2x Skitarii Rangers - Transuranic Arquebus 92 - Skitarii Rangers 1x Ranger Alpha - Galvanic Rifle, Omnispex 2x Skitarii Rangers - Galvanic Rifle 2x Skitarii Rangers - Transuranic Arquebus Heavy Support: 145 - Onager Dunecrawler - Neutron Laser w/ Cognis HS, Cognis HS, Broad Spectrum Data-tether 145 - Onager Dunecrawler - Neutron Laser w/ Cognis HS, Cognis HS, Broad Spectrum Data-tether 130 - Onager Dunecrawler - Icarus Array, Broad Spectrum Data-tether 2x lazbacks, ven dread, 2x neutron onagers should put out ok ranged attacks. took the icarus on 3rd onager for AA attack. dread camps out in the back with the ML vet demi squad. captain and libby and vanguard vet demi squad bounce forward and thump things that need thumping (captain can drop beacon to pull a DW squad if needed/wanted). the other 2 vet squads hop in a lazback each and move up and bump things while rangers hang back and snipe out HQ & force multipliers/buffers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vigitant Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I'm currently working on a list using an Acastus Knight Porphyrion with DW. It pumps out massive amounts of AT hate, and lets the DW focus on the anti-infantry they do so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 What are the best Houses for Gallants and why ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qui-Gon Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Knight Gallant, if you take it solo, Freeblade, and get the free once per round re-roll to hit, wound, saving throw, or charge roll. And then you give it burdens that basically don't hurt it (have to charge, BS6+) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Thanks buddy ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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