Bridging the gap

[Doghouse]

I've often wondered if it is Mark Ten armour or actually literally Mark X armour because that would explain the no Mark Nine.

[Captain Idaho]

I'd be happy with a separation between Primaris and Classic. Soup armies would exist for those wishing to mix and match.

[Sete]

Now that OldMarines can be upgraded, release a new box with OldMarines in their resized MK6,7,8 armour the Chad stats and their normal chapter organization.

 

I don't want to play marines like Eldar play.

[Captain Idaho]

This thread has shown me I'm not an absolute minority and there is an appetite for more Classic Space Marines, though in varying forms admittedly.

 

The question to me now suggests there is now feedback that can be done. A petition asking for GW to resume support for Classic Marines? An email sharing a link to a survey?

 

Don't get me wrong; I KNOW I'm unlikely to achieve anything here. No company is THAT in tune with its customers. However, to not try is to give up on an opportunity.

 

Primaris were an attempt (probably successful) to get old Marines players buying new models in large numbers. Renewed Classic Marines could be an attempt for new Primaris players to buy Classic Marines in large numbers.

 

There is potential here.

[slitth]

I do not see a potential for a rework of the classic Astartes line, and Primaris are much more likely to take over the space marine codex than get a new one.

So as a big seller in 40K I think that classic Astartes are done.

Primaris has replaced them in that regard, like it or not.

 

But that does not mean that WG is done with the classic Astartes.

Sure we will not see a new Tactical Squad for 40K.

So how do we get classic Astartes?

 

From the space marine heroes series.

As they can offer high quality collector models for fans of the classic look and players that want to use them in Kill Team.

 

From the 30K series.

I think a remake of the 30K infantry boxes would do really nicely.

[MARK0SIAN]

This thread has shown me I'm not an absolute minority and there is an appetite for more Classic Space Marines, though in varying forms admittedly.

 

The question to me now suggests there is now feedback that can be done. A petition asking for GW to resume support for Classic Marines? An email sharing a link to a survey?

 

Don't get me wrong; I KNOW I'm unlikely to achieve anything here. No company is THAT in tune with its customers. However, to not try is to give up on an opportunity.

 

Primaris were an attempt (probably successful) to get old Marines players buying new models in large numbers. Renewed Classic Marines could be an attempt for new Primaris players to buy Classic Marines in large numbers.

 

There is potential here.

I’m happy to answer a survey or add my name to a letter requesting such things but my advice would be to wait until the dust has settled from CA, we might have a better idea which direction they want to take marines after that. You see for me, at the moment, even if they bought out a totally revamped classic line of models to the new scale but with the same units, I wouldn’t buy them until they were actually good on the table. I don’t mean OP or broken but could at least hold their own.

 

I say this because I believe a petition for new versions of classic model lines might actually gain some traction . However how many of us have sent in requests and ideas for rules changes that have largely been ignored? Quite a few I’d say. They may take our ideas for new models on board but they’re not listening to our ideas for rules/stats changes, so we need to see if they can fix marines themselves before we invest time and effort trying to persuade them to make new models.

[Sete]

I don't want to derail, I'll join the initiative aswell, but with Calgar revealed we know the direction they are going...

[Captain Idaho]

Doesn't have to be a full revamp of the line; MK9 as mentioned, or even something quite innovative...

 

...Space Marines boxed set. That's it. 1 box, revamped size if they please, just 10 models. Then GW releases smaller upgrades sets that enables those models to be customised into Sternguard, Vanguard, Assault Marines, Devastators...

 

In that one change, there's now shelf room for 4 new boxed sets. More if you include a commanders upgrade sprue that allows you to build a Captain, Apothecary, Chaplain etc...

[sockwithaticket]

This thread has shown me I'm not an absolute minority and there is an appetite for more Classic Space Marines, though in varying forms admittedly.

 

The question to me now suggests there is now feedback that can be done. A petition asking for GW to resume support for Classic Marines? An email sharing a link to a survey?

 

Don't get me wrong; I KNOW I'm unlikely to achieve anything here. No company is THAT in tune with its customers. However, to not try is to give up on an opportunity.

 

Primaris were an attempt (probably successful) to get old Marines players buying new models in large numbers. Renewed Classic Marines could be an attempt for new Primaris players to buy Classic Marines in large numbers.

There is potential here.

The handful of new PA releases there have been via Forgeworld, I've really wanted to pick up to show support for regular marines. However, they're eye wateringly expensive for what you get (see this weeks Vigilator and Praevian or the Red Scorpion duo from a while back).

 

[Captain Idaho]

Yeah Forge World is a difficult substitute.

 

Sorry to elaborate - FW is very much expensive and doesn't substitute for full support.

[Captain Idaho]

 

This thread has shown me I'm not an absolute minority and there is an appetite for more Classic Space Marines, though in varying forms admittedly.

The question to me now suggests there is now feedback that can be done. A petition asking for GW to resume support for Classic Marines? An email sharing a link to a survey?

Don't get me wrong; I KNOW I'm unlikely to achieve anything here. No company is THAT in tune with its customers. However, to not try is to give up on an opportunity.

Primaris were an attempt (probably successful) to get old Marines players buying new models in large numbers. Renewed Classic Marines could be an attempt for new Primaris players to buy Classic Marines in large numbers.

There is potential here.

I’m happy to answer a survey or add my name to a letter requesting such things but my advice would be to wait until the dust has settled from CA, we might have a better idea which direction they want to take marines after that. You see for me, at the moment, even if they bought out a totally revamped classic line of models to the new scale but with the same units, I wouldn’t buy them until they were actually good on the table. I don’t mean OP or broken but could at least hold their own.

I say this because I believe a petition for new versions of classic model lines might actually gain some traction . However how many of us have sent in requests and ideas for rules changes that have largely been ignored? Quite a few I’d say. They may take our ideas for new models on board but they’re not listening to our ideas for rules/stats changes, so we need to see if they can fix marines themselves before we invest time and effort trying to persuade them to make new models.

Good advice - we'll see what CA brings us.

 

Of course, it GW don't get any feedback they very well may marginalise Classic Marines in the rules because they simply aren't aware.

 

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I've never organised a petition. Not even sure where to start lol

[Noserenda]

I suspect the only way to get more focus on oldmarines would be buying oldmarines. GW get barraged with petitions and the like but if folks want them to commit to tens of thousands of pounds in plastic and man hours then money talks.  

[sockwithaticket]

I don't necessarily want them to make loads of new stuff for regular marines, the range is plenty big enough. If they could just refrain from slowly disappearing them and have them co-exist more equally with Primaris that'd be fine by me. You'd also have thought it would make business sense for them to give them equal billing, you want to incentivise people to purchase both product lines.

[slitth]

Doesn't have to be a full revamp of the line; MK9 as mentioned, or even something quite innovative...

 

...Space Marines boxed set. That's it. 1 box, revamped size if they please, just 10 models. Then GW releases smaller upgrades sets that enables those models to be customised into Sternguard, Vanguard, Assault Marines, Devastators...

 

In that one change, there's now shelf room for 4 new boxed sets. More if you include a commanders upgrade sprue that allows you to build a Captain, Apothecary, Chaplain etc...

 

So a new box set for MK9 power armour? Plus upgrade packs?

 

And they are gonna do what? Replace all the other Classic Marines?

I do not think the fans of the old marks of power armour would like that.

 

Now the idea of having one box being the core and the having upgrade sets is not bad.

It just a matter of figuring out what box should be the core box.

[Captain Idaho]

 

Doesn't have to be a full revamp of the line; MK9 as mentioned, or even something quite innovative...

...Space Marines boxed set. That's it. 1 box, revamped size if they please, just 10 models. Then GW releases smaller upgrades sets that enables those models to be customised into Sternguard, Vanguard, Assault Marines, Devastators...

In that one change, there's now shelf room for 4 new boxed sets. More if you include a commanders upgrade sprue that allows you to build a Captain, Apothecary, Chaplain etc...

 

So a new box set for MK9 power armour? Plus upgrade packs?

 

And they are gonna do what? Replace all the other Classic Marines?

I do not think the fans of the old marks of power armour would like that.

 

Now the idea of having one box being the core and the having upgrade sets is not bad.

It just a matter of figuring out what box should be the core box.

As a player who uses mostly MK4s on my 40K Ultramarines, I can say with a large amount of confidence most Classic Marines players would be happy with GW bringing out this new MK9 kit. What it does is:

 

i) Allow for interesting purchases for elite units and characters, conversions etc; whilst still being close to the size of original models they own - unlike the substantially larger Primaris.

 

ii) It would demonstrate to all players a commitment to an existing product line outside just warm words.

 

iii) It brings in the Primaris crowd into the whole Space Marines product line with but a single boxed set (As per my suggestion - whatever happens may vary).

[D3L]

On topic: Take Primaris our of the Space Marine Codex. Publish to separate Codex and use the detachment rules for mixing and matching units like any other Imperium factions.

 

Space Marines get stratagems that reflect being veterans of a long war ... yeah I went there. Someone touched on it earlier. Play up that this is an army of been there done that used the tee shirt for battlefield dressing

 

Primaris Marines develops a fighting doctrine related to the HH legions of RG’s “youth” ie power armor with the Scout rule: yes looking at you Reivers. And focus the codex on a whole new all Primaris Chapter that explains its founding and organization in detail

 

Lastly not new units for Space Marines because seriously the bases are covered, but new models for anything not resculpred since 3rd edition and rules that make any and all units a viable but none a must have click to win choice

 

definitely

[mel_danes]

I've often wondered if it is Mark Ten armour or actually literally Mark X armour because that would explain the no Mark Nine.

Doghouse I agree this is exactly correct. It is Mk X, not Mk.10.

[Captain Idaho]

 

I've often wondered if it is Mark Ten armour or actually literally Mark X armour because that would explain the no Mark Nine.

Doghouse I agree this is exactly correct. It is Mk X, not Mk.10.

Very possible but that doesn't preclude a MK9 Classic Marines release. Or even MK8 and 10 depending on the unit.

 

Background there's loads they can do. They can ads background to suggest Cawl's enhancements worked on the Classic as well, making them more reliable and available enmass.

 

In fact that makes perfect sense since progress doesn't have to stop at Primaris.

 

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Whilst GW probably won't do it, I wish there would be conflict between forces. It justifies gamers fighting each other too.

 

"Why are your Ultramarines fighting mine? Well it's a different faction splintering off of course. My Classic Marines sided with Gabriel Seth and regard themselves as the true Ultramarines."

 

That kind of scope doesn't have to exist though. GW likely want Marines to buy both lines especially if they release a new MK9 release.

[Tyriks]

 

 

I've often wondered if it is Mark Ten armour or actually literally Mark X armour because that would explain the no Mark Nine.

Doghouse I agree this is exactly correct. It is Mk X, not Mk.10.

Very possible but that doesn't preclude a MK9 Classic Marines release. Or even MK8 and 10 depending on the unit.

Background there's loads they can do. They can ads background to suggest Cawl's enhancements worked on the Classic as well, making them more reliable and available enmass.

In fact that makes perfect sense since progress doesn't have to stop at Primaris.

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Whilst GW probably won't do it, I wish there would be conflict between forces. It justifies gamers fighting each other too.

"Why are your Ultramarines fighting mine? Well it's a different faction splintering off of course. My Classic Marines sided with Gabriel Seth and regard themselves as the true Ultramarines."

That kind of scope doesn't have to exist though. GW likely want Marines to buy both lines especially if they release a new MK9 release.

I think having even a casual mention of chapters having members splinter off over this would be good.

[Doctor Perils]

Doesn't have to be a full revamp of the line; MK9 as mentioned, or even something quite innovative...

 

...Space Marines boxed set. That's it. 1 box, revamped size if they please, just 10 models. Then GW releases smaller upgrades sets that enables those models to be customised into Sternguard, Vanguard, Assault Marines, Devastators...

 

In that one change, there's now shelf room for 4 new boxed sets. More if you include a commanders upgrade sprue that allows you to build a Captain, Apothecary, Chaplain etc...

If they were really smart about it, they could even make those upgrade sprues compatible with the existing mkIII and mkIV

 

You would have to make sure the legs are reposable to some extent so you don't have the same 10 pairs throughout the army

[Captain Idaho]

Ha the 2nd edition approach!

[Bryan Blaire]

I’m trying to figure out exactly what you’re imagining with a Mk9 suit, and what the fluff with it would be?

 

Isn’t Mk8 already employing the most advanced tech in power armor that the AdMech can install? Considering some of the similarities to MkX, how do we know that Mk8 isn’t already using tech from the MkX in it - maybe MkX was the underground testbed platform for MkX armor pieces, or Cawl “sneaking” advancements he had in for Marines Classico once he knew MkX and the Primaris would work? Mk8 could already be the bridge armor for the gap.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

I think GW would benefit alot from updating terminators. I think if they upscaled them a little, and posed the models more upright they'd make a great bridge unit. Players could mix them in with older armies, and they'd look right. while at the same time providing primaris with a deep strike threat.   

 

That said I don't believe that GW is in any hurry to remove old marines and I think we will see some new models for the classic line up. 

[Captain Idaho]

MK9 I'm thinking larger. More solid almost Imperial Fists void hardened style.

[Kinstryfe]

I think the problem with the approach of "GW need to show their commitment with a classic Marines release" is that they would release exactly what? I mean, we've got three tactical squads, and three types of TDA. Releasing MkIX, as cool as *I* think it could be, will just be met by cries of "They're invalidating all the old models whargarbl!" if there's even a hint of scale creep. So the question is, do marines sell enough to warrant a fourth tactical squad box? What else could they conceivably do that's not just a rework of existing stuff in a scale that'll cheese some people off anyway? I mean, let's face it, most fandoms can be pretty unreasonable and this one is no different. Aside from collectors stuff like Space Marine Heroes, I'm at a loss as to what they can put out that won't invalidate old models that we actually need. Don't get me wrong, I'd buy the heck out of an updated beakie kit, but it's really hard to say that there's no support for the line when we have three kits for our basic troop and Aeldari are still using models from the last millennia. What do we really *need* added to the line?