Jolemai Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Welcome to the Blood Angels Unit of the Week Series! Following the release of the 8th edition Codex, there is no better time to discuss all the unique units we have access to. Each week a different unit will appear, with the idea being that we discuss how best to use that model on the battlefield. Note, this isn't to lament any nerfs, etc, from previous editions; the rules are as they are so try to unlock its potential for those who wish to use them all the same. Similarly, this thread is only for using the option being discussed; it matters not if you feel something is a better choice as such comments aren't constructive to the topic and shall be removed. Without further ado, here's this week's entry: Company Veterans What are you thoughts here folks? How best would you use a Company Veterans? To compliment a list, or to build a list around? Will the beta rules affect your list(s)? Will you be running multiples? Footslog, jump pack (Index) or transport? Weapon choices? What are you babysitting with this unit, or are you running them solo? How are you buffing this unit? Stratagems? Over to you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 Should you want your model on display here (or on another thread from the series), then submit a photo here please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5212217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The ultimate question: with or without? Hidden Content Jump packs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5212226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Since the Company Veterans with Jump Packs are a separate datasheet, I'd say only without. The next candidate for the unit of the week should be the CVs with JPs though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5212408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I've used a small squad of 4 with jumppacks and 3 plasmaguns, and a plasma pistol on the sgt, and they've done very well for me. The ability to just pop them down where you want, and within rapid fire range is just great, and the reposition Upon Wings of Fire offers is well worth the CPs. A Combi-plasma would probably be better than the pistol, but the pistol is cheap, and I already have the model built. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5212421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 So far I only used a small foot-slogging squad of 2-3 as bodyguards for Mephiston. Often in a Rhino. I usually give the sergeant dual LCs, and the other two got CSs with additional SS if I have the points. They do great in that role and once Mephy is safely delivered to combat, they can either stick around or look for some opportunity targetsRecently I'm thinking a lot about expanding their numbers to form a separate or even multiple units.They are great cheap and pretty resilient fillers for Elite slots if for some reason we would like to go character heavy or sqeeze a Brigade into some small-point games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5212545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 Since the Company Veterans with Jump Packs are a separate datasheet, I'd say only without. The next candidate for the unit of the week should be the CVs with JPs though. Incorrect, jump packs are a unit upgrade. You're thinking of Company Veterans on Bikes which we can't take. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5212556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 You are right. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5212591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Crimson Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Company vets with stormbolter and chainsword are rarely a bad choice. Inexpensive and if need be they can intercept hit for your captains. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5212940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The4thHorseman Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I run a max squad with JP and Plasma Guns and chainswords. WoF them within 9" of a screening unit that is keeping a Smash Capt from getting to the desired Target in T2 or if on the Table T1. And blast them, then charge if needed. Smash Capt comes in and is clear to attack the previously screened unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5213074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 I run a max squad with JP and Plasma Guns and chainswords. The sergeant has to take a combi-plasma, doens't he? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5213253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The4thHorseman Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I run a max squad with JP and Plasma Guns and chainswords. The sergeant has to take a combi-plasma, doens't he? Yes he does. And is equiped as such in my squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5213352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Company vets with stormbolter and chainsword are rarely a bad choice. Inexpensive and if need be they can intercept hit for your captains. Seems like the perfect unit to drop with a Captain Smash and clear a chaff screen for him, offering some protection if he does fail that clutch charge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5213505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Crimson Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Company vets with stormbolter and chainsword are rarely a bad choice. Inexpensive and if need be they can intercept hit for your captains. Seems like the perfect unit to drop with a Captain Smash and clear a chaff screen for him, offering some protection if he does fail that clutch charge. TBH if he fails the charge he does not need protection because of character rule. It’s more to soak up in melee when 3++ fails. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5213626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Something I messed around with a few months back, but haven't recently: RAW, Company Vets can intercept wounds for Librarian Dreadnoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5213698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Something I messed around with a few months back, but haven't recently: RAW, Company Vets can intercept wounds for Librarian Dreadnoughts. Now that's certainly interesting ... I might be tempted to kitbash myself two Company Vets to use as my Chief Librarian (Dreadnought) personal guard and say they too are Knight of Blood who used to be serving in the Deathwatch during the Devastation of Baal like my Chapter Master. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5213703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoridon Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I've run a small unit of Company Vets with storm bolter and chainsword a few times now as bodyguards for foot slogging characters - often Mephiston. They protect the character from being shot the first couple of turns, add some nice anti-infantry shots as they close in and then take on the wound soaking role if their character gets targeted in melee. I don't think I'd give them any extra kit for that bodyguard role, they perform the job nicely with the basics and it keeps the points loss relatively low for each model that is lost via wound soaking. They've been a regular for me in my last few games, though I'd think twice about using them for wound intercepting in kill point games. I have a similar escort for Seth in my small Flesh Tearers detachment, but they drop the storm bolter for a second chainsword. It's purely for fluff as the storm bolter gives more flexibility in use but I just can't see a flesh tearer opting for that when he could be more stabby. I'm now looking at building another unit of Company Vets as full plasma and storm shield with the new points changes. It's something I considered at the start of 8th but didn't as the points felt just that little bit too high, but now both plasma and shields are dropping along with the veteran body that unit is suddenly going to be a whole lot cheaper. Heck, I might build a few squads to deploy in the new Storm Eagle I'm building - with that transport space, a Captain and Lieutenant surrounded by plasma Veterans could make quite the impact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5214522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Since sanguiniary guard received no love in CA, but Dante got a big drop. .. I am tempted to use a few sanguiniary guard models with sword and Angelus as "counts as" jump pack company veterans with power sword and storm bolter. Means that an affordable Dante would be accompanied by golden warriors who could actually take a bullet for him. But is that too much proxying? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5214727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 But is that too much proxying? That's a question only your opponent can answer. You should definitely ask tho since people knowing BA will expect SG models to have SG stats and weapons and not Veteran stats and weapons. ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5214775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Yea that gets tricky. I've proxied a lot of different things in my day, but SG-as-Vets is a case where it can be uninentionally misleading. Often times with proxying models are unepxected enough that the brain can easily "translate" what they're looking at. But since for most of the course of the game it has been logical to see Dante accompanied by Sang Guard (for both fluff and crunch), opponents may not be able to "translate" what they are looking at over the course of a game, especially in the heat of the moment. I'd like to think it would work, but as @SfPanzer says it really is going to be how your opponent perceives it, and as such, I don't think you should be annoyed if someone pushes back on that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5214891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Yeah, I can see that. It just somewhat galling that company veterans are a better bodyguard unit than the guard. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5214905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djangomatic82 Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I've begun to run a 2 man squads sporting meltas as a cheap monster/tank hunting unit. I usually leave them in reserve until something juicy opens up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5215087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormelyKnownAsSmashyPants Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I'm going to magnetize a bunch of melee and range weapons as well as magnetize JP. There's a lot that can be said for the SB/CS losdout. Maybe throw in couple of power weapons to taste. Their bodyguard rule seems useful what do people think about TH/SS to escort Cpt Smash, the main role being extra TH hits against tuff targets like daemon primarchs, knights and the like, which admittedly VV could do just as well, but they could take hits for him if needed. Could even break them up into MSU, as IIRC you can only target one enemy unit in the combat phase, however I could be completely wrong on this one as I don't have my BRB handy, in which case disregard my last point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5215100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dice4thedicegod Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I'm going to magnetize a bunch of melee and range weapons as well as magnetize JP. There's a lot that can be said for the SB/CS losdout. Maybe throw in couple of power weapons to taste. Their bodyguard rule seems useful what do people think about TH/SS to escort Cpt Smash, the main role being extra TH hits against tuff targets like daemon primarchs, knights and the like, which admittedly VV could do just as well, but they could take hits for him if needed. Could even break them up into MSU, as IIRC you can only target one enemy unit in the combat phase, however I could be completely wrong on this one as I don't have my BRB handy, in which case disregard my last point. The only problem there would seem to be cost. You really want the bodyguard unit to not be costing too many points... veterans with jump pack and thunder hammer sounds expensive per ablative wound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5215101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornithologist Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 What would be some good kits to use to kitbash them? I'm thinking Veteran Vanguard, but I could use some pointers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352240-unit-of-the-week-company-veterans/#findComment-5215435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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