Prot Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Any clue what kind of army he will play? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5236130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 16, 2019 Author Share Posted January 16, 2019 Well knowing Hatcher, it'll be Deathwatch flavoured Imperial soup with a smattering of Forge World. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5236286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 20, 2019 Author Share Posted January 20, 2019 Hmm. Unfortunately I hadn't built the 2nd Vanguard squad so my army really lacked the core of its draw. In addition, as I never had the models available right now, I didn't have a 2nd Dreadnought (as I didn't want a counts as for James since he hasn't played in ages) and ended up with quite a different list than I intended. As such I didn't get much out of the Victrix Guard. The Captain with Solider's Blade solo'd a full unit of Hellblasters though (well 5 Intercessors and 5 Hellblasters in a unit) thanks to Honour the Chapter. The core of the army fought well. As suspected, the Tacticals suffer opportunist shots most of the time since everything else usually is a priority. This meant there was always a plasma dude or Sergeant around to be a pain in the rear. The Devastators were disappointing. I just kept fluffing their rolls. Every volley just rolled poorly to hit and wound. I took a Predator and Whirlwind as stand ins and the Predator did okay but both of these units won't be finding their ways into my list. *** Overall I lost to a solid tournament list but with an extremely unpolished list. We played Narrow the Search and I made a capital error - instead of biding my time and scoring the points I rushed forward too soon and ended up being counter attacked rather solidly. Had I hung back I would have still been the one to score the early VPs and as the mission went on my opponent would have needed to approach which would have resulted in ME doing the counter attacking and likely winning fairly convincingly. These new missions can catch you out and I'm rusty. *** So onwards to assemble the Vanguard. 10 more would have been decisive I feel. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5238018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Rust is rust. We shake it off in time but it’s hard to make judgement calls on lists in the meantime. I really can’t stand the vehicles I the current meta personally. I just think the infantry based firepower is so much better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5239201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Got something radical coming (for me anyway): [bVanguard Detachment Specialist Detachment - Victrix Guard Captain - The Soldier's Blade, Plasma Pistol and Jump Pack, Warden of Ultramar Ironclad Dreadnought - Hurricane Bolters, Chainfist, Melta gun and Assault Launchers. Vanguard squad - 5× Storm Shields and Chainswords, 5× Bolt pistol and Power Fists. Vanguard squad - 4× Dual Lightning Claws, 3× Storm Shields and Chainswords, 3× Dual Chainswords. Vanguard Detachment Techmarine - Bolter and Chainsword Contemptor - Kheres assault cannon Dreadnought - Twin linked Lascannon and missile Launcher Dreadnought - Twin linked Lascannon and missile Launcher Battalion Librarian - Force Staff and Bolt Pistol, Might of Heroes and Null Zone Lieutenant - Mastercrafted Bolter and Chainsword Tactical squad ×5 - Combi plasma and Plasma gun Tactical squad ×5 - Combi plasma and Plasma gun Tactical squad ×5 - Combi plasma and Plasma gun Centurions ×3 - Hurricane Bolters and Heavy Bolters Really happy with the list and Beta Bolters. The Centurions aren't an easy target since I have the Contemptor/Ironclad tag team and Vanguard to shoot at. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5240779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonjacob Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Those vanguard with jump packs?. not gonna use beta bolter masterful marksman ship for some easy killing? the list looks good! hope to see a bat rep Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5240817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 Definitely got Jump Pack on the Vanguard sorry. I was tempted by the Sternguard but for the price of them plus the Rhino I got the Centurions. Lately the Sternguard have been quite vulnerable and not so effective for me. And I wanted to roll 54 dice for 1 unit for once! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5240828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkyHamHam Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Definitely got Jump Pack on the Vanguard sorry. I was tempted by the Sternguard but for the price of them plus the Rhino I got the Centurions. Lately the Sternguard have been quite vulnerable and not so effective for me. And I wanted to roll 54 dice for 1 unit for once! Really love the list! Tho if it were me, I'd drop 1 Tac Squad for a bare bones Scout Squad. That would let you make your Librarian into Tiggy. Then you'd have 5pts to play with. Which I would go power axe on the Techmarine. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5241543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 Oh not allowed to use Tigurius at the tournament in June I have planned. He's count as since I hate the current model and the organisers said neigh. But if I get an opportunity to use Tigurius counts as then I would totally do that. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5241650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkyHamHam Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Oh not allowed to use Tigurius at the tournament in June I have planned. He's count as since I hate the current model and the organisers said neigh. But if I get an opportunity to use Tigurius counts as then I would totally do that. ;) That sucks! I totally do the same, counts as. His model isn't great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5241731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 25, 2019 Author Share Posted January 25, 2019 He's an otherwise auto include. The -1 to hit alone is worth so much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5241785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 That is ridiculous. You have plenty time to acquire the model and I think it’s worth it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5242474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 Yeah but I can't stand the model! I might buy him, but my collection is mostly based upon what I like with a smattering of what performs well. Who knows, maybe I'll buy him but I can't guarantee it'll be a priority. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5242526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Get the old one? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5242559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 I have got him and could give him a lick of paint. Just such a dated model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5242591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I agree. I sold my painted one and use a counts as as well. I ant believe they are that inflexible about it. I have an original metal one but ugh I don’t want to paint it. If anyone became Primaris first I wish it was him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5242740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 Well it is GW themselves... June Grand Tournament for my mate's birthday. I have no rancour but wish I could get round this otherwise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5242797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 I have got him and could give him a lick of paint. Just such a dated model. Hmmnah. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5242803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 Dang that actually looks great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5242819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 I like it ! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5244067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Amendments consolidated into the list. Notably the replacement of the Librarian for Tigurius. He makes the list so much stronger, especially alongside the Captain and his Sanctic Halo. Scouts finally received their head swap so I added them and saved the points for the changes. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP ++ **Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines + HQ + Chief Librarian Tigurius: 2) Might of Heroes, 3) Psychic Scourge, 6) Null Zone Lieutenant Adept of the Codex, Chainsword, Master-crafted boltgun, Warlord + Troops + Scout Squad - ×5 Sniper rifles Tactical Squad 5x Space Marine, Combi-plasma, Heavy bolter Tactical Squad 5x Space Marine, Combi-plasma, Heavy bolter + Heavy Support + Centurion Devastator Squad - Hurricane bolters, and Heavy Bolters ++ Vanguard Detachment ++ **Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines Specialist Detachment [-1CP]: Victrix Guard + HQ + Captain: Jump Pack, Plasma pistol, Relic blade, Stratagem: Field Commander, The Sanctic Halo, Warden of Ultramar + Elites + Ironclad Dreadnought: Dreadnought chainfist, Hurricane bolter, Ironclad Assault Launchers, Meltagun Vanguard Veteran Squad: Jump Packs, 4× Dual Lightning Claws, 3× Dual Chainswords, 3× Chainsword and Storm Shield. Vanguard Veteran Squad: Jump Packs, 5× Bolt pistol and Power fist, 5× Bolt Pistol and Storm Shield ++ Vanguard Detachment ++ **Chapter Selection**: Ultramarines + HQ + Techmarine: Boltgun, Chainsword, Servo-arm + Elites + Contemptor Dreadnought: Combi-bolter, Dreadnought combat weapon, Kheres pattern assault cannon Dreadnought: Missile launcher, Twin lascannon Dreadnought: Missile launcher, Twin lascannon ++ Total: 1748 ++ Obviously those 2pts will likely go into another Storm Shield somewhere. It's not essential right now to worry about it! Regarding the List... ...It's getting a trial by fire tonight. A good friend of mine is taking a very strong GT list and I'm in for a tough ride taking a balanced list to this fight. That's just the way it is when you play themes and taking units you like but I hope to make it work. His list is approximately as follows: - Knight Gallant - 2× Armiger Helverins - Deathwatch Captain - Deathwatch Master - Obligatory Deathwatch Veterans with Storm Shields, Storm Bolters and Terminator to tank wounds. - 2× 5 Intercessors - 2× Dreads with Twin linked Lascannon and missile Launcher. I'm not too scared of the Gallant if I'm honest. It's getting picked off by the Helverins and massed 2+ wounds. Very offensive list but not very mobile outside the Gallant. *** Tigurius Psychic powers... Might of Heroes is an obvious choice due to the way it keeps a tough model alive. A T9 Ironclad or T8 Contemptor will be very annoying, especially with any minuses to hit. Null Zone just in case. It's better to have it and not use than not at all. It'll help to deal with any Shield Captains or other monstrosities that try and tank wounds on Invulnerable saves. Psychic Scourge... I like it. We get to single out models and likely inflict Mortal Wounds on them. It grants my army another Mortal Wounds generator too. But should I swap it out? I quite like the power but with Vanguard and a Captain, plus an Ironclad marching up the table, perhaps Veil of Time does have some place? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5250452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 New list looks good to me... I’d love to see a batrep. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5250487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I'm very curious about the Iron Clad. personally I'm bummed about the Deathwatch are now the FotM for soup. I guess it's better than when it was me and 10 other people in that forum...lol The Deathwatch can tank you hard, and be careful. I think Poison Rounds catch everyone off guard. It won't be las/melta/plasma that drops your infantry. It will likely be a plethora of stormbolter wounds. Does he make the Gallant his Warlord? Just be aware of T1 assaults from it (Full Tilt). :) If he chooses the 5++ then Nullzone will be very useful. Good luck! Let us know how it goes. That's a solid list he's got too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5250542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 I kinda want a turn 1 assault from it so I can krump it early with a combined charge of Warden of Ultramar and the Vanguard and maybe a surviving Dread. The only question is who will be the unlucky candidate for it... :) It won't be Warlord but I think his Watch Master is. Thanks I'll be aware of the death by a thousand Bolters. Part the reason I got Psychic Scourge so I can put extra Mortal Wounds in there. I know he'll be scared of the Centurions so I actually kinda don't mind if he shoots them first. I'll report the results up. I'll try for a battle report in fact. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5250555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 What does "Warden of Ultramar" do ? I am assuming it is a WLT . Looking forward to the batrep !!! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352282-idaho-is-going-back-to-tournaments/page/2/#findComment-5250566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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