Acebaur Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Is The Emperor's Champion worth taking instead of ToT Marshal? Why not both? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 It's not really a templars army without an EC ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamansky Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Is The Emperor's Champion worth taking instead of ToT Marshal? Why not both? Well honestly, I'd like to take HIgh Marshal, Grimaldus and EC. But Vanguard has only 2 HQ slots. And i don't really want to take Battalion because of Troops tax. And for role of expendable troops i can field an Imperial Guard Brigade with artillery support in 1500 pts game where i'm going to have only 2 detachments. That's why not both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Then it depends on what you're facing. If characters are your for: the Champion. If it's more chaffy enemies, Marshal with Teeth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Is The Emperor's Champion worth taking instead of ToT Marshal? Why not both? Well honestly, I'd like to take HIgh Marshal, Grimaldus and EC. But Vanguard has only 2 HQ slots. And i don't really want to take Battalion because of Troops tax. And for role of expendable troops i can field an Imperial Guard Brigade with artillery support in 1500 pts game where i'm going to have only 2 detachments. That's why not both. In all honeslty I wouldn’t take Grim and Helbrect in the same list. Grim is for Black Tide and Helbrect is for Elite/Sword Brothern. And even more honestly, between our troops (Crusaders, Intercessors And Scouts) they aren’t really taxes. At worse just take 3 Faux Devi Crusaders, HvyBolter Or GravCannon/Plasma/Plasma for 97 or 115 points each. Champion/Marshall or HighMarshall/3 Faux Devi’s. Take 3 Sword Brothern, and throw one of the Faux Devi’s into the Pod. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Well u wrote my first list for 8th. And I've committed to building it. 3 squads of 5 vets, all sword and board except the sergeant is hammer and shield. (I'm not worried about meta... Which if I tell you the rest of the list you'll see how un-meta it is... Lol Hah, that was easy. To be honest a list consisting of mainly Sword&Board vets was my to-buy list for my Blood Angels successor Knights of Blood in 7th even tho they were terrible back then. Then 8th rolls around and they looked a lot better crunch-wise but GW also released Primaris which looked a lot better model-wise to me so I never got around building such a list for real. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Is The Emperor's Champion worth taking instead of ToT Marshal? Why not both? Well honestly, I'd like to take HIgh Marshal, Grimaldus and EC. But Vanguard has only 2 HQ slots. And i don't really want to take Battalion because of Troops tax. And for role of expendable troops i can field an Imperial Guard Brigade with artillery support in 1500 pts game where i'm going to have only 2 detachments. That's why not both. take 3 HQs, 3 Elite-Slots and 3x scouts for 55pts each... so you have the CPs you need for the stratagems ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamansky Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Scouts? What is that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iago Posted December 26, 2018 Author Share Posted December 26, 2018 I have my 5 storm shield and power sword vets based and ready to be used ! Very excited. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Scouts? What is that? Dunno? Sounds like heresy to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 Scouts? What is that?Dunno? Sounds like heresy to me. Neophytes who failed in their duty as meat shields... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted December 26, 2018 Share Posted December 26, 2018 I have my 5 storm shield and power sword vets based and ready to be used ! Very excited. me too,... but just the first 5 of 15^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I have my 5 storm shield and power sword vets based and ready to be used ! Very excited. me too,... but just the first 5 of 15^^ Me three, check out my crusade thread for details **cough**shameless plug** :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamansky Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Scouts? What is that?Dunno? Sounds like heresy to me. Neophytes who failed in their duty as meat shields... I thought that those who failed die. But let's not derail the discussion any further. What i saw when i first read the rules of Sword Brethren was Helbrecht accompanied by 5 and 4 SS+Sword Company veterans in some non-Raider transport . But now i think of Helbrecht+Emperors Champion+Company Champion+Apothecary(or two or none)+5 cheap Сompany Veterans as ablative wounds in drop pod as an elite big game hunetrs. Cosidering sheilds, i made some of spare transport doors. Hm... And i still have a lot of those doors. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyWalrus Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 How about Sword Brethren on bikes with Storm Bolters and Shields? Sure, it's 180 for 5, but you get 40 shots in Rapid Fire range, you get T5 W2 3++ and the option to give them 5+ FNP, and you don't use up one of the three foot Sword Brethren slots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jober Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 How about Sword Brethren on bikes with Storm Bolters and Shields? Sure, it's 180 for 5, but you get 40 shots in Rapid Fire range, you get T5 W2 3++ and the option to give them 5+ FNP, and you don't use up one of the three foot Sword Brethren slots. I think Bikers can't be selected for the Detachment/Stratagems. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 What are the General thoughts on the City company champ? Can we make him a field commander and give him the trait? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Laeroth Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 How about Sword Brethren on bikes with Storm Bolters and Shields? Sure, it's 180 for 5, but you get 40 shots in Rapid Fire range, you get T5 W2 3++ and the option to give them 5+ FNP, and you don't use up one of the three foot Sword Brethren slots.I think Bikers can't be selected for the Detachment/Stratagems. They have the company veterans keyword, so they can be selected for the Sword Brethren detachment/strategem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 How about Sword Brethren on bikes with Storm Bolters and Shields? Sure, it's 180 for 5, but you get 40 shots in Rapid Fire range, you get T5 W2 3++ and the option to give them 5+ FNP, and you don't use up one of the three foot Sword Brethren slots. I think Bikers can't be selected for the Detachment/Stratagems.They have the company veterans keyword, so they can...but they would still count against your three units since technically, they are simply company vets taking bikes as an upgrade. They wouldn't count against the 3 because they are a separate datasheet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyWalrus Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Gonna play this list tomorrow at my local store. I went for Thunder Hammers rather than Fists on my Sword Brethren because I had some points left over and because stuff like Meganobz, i.e. 3 or more wounds, are fairly common in my meta, so the reliability of static 3 damage vs. d3 really makes a difference. --Detachment 1, Sword Brethren-- --HQ-- High Marshal Helbrecht - 150 Marshal, Bike, Thunder Hammer, Storm Shield, Twin Boltgun (upgrade to Shield Eternal) - 116 --Troops-- 5x Scouts, Bolt Pistol/Combat Knife - 55 5x Scouts, Bolt Pistol/Combat Knife - 55 5x Scouts, Bolt Pistol/Combat Knife - 55 --Elites-- 5x Company Veterans, Thunder Hammers, Storm Shields - 160 5x Company Veterans, Storm Bolters, Chainswords - 80 5x Company Veterans, Power Swords - 90 --Fast Attack-- Land Speeder, Typhoon Missile Launcher, Heavy Bolter - 98 --Heavy Support-- Devastator Squad, 3x Lascannon, 1x Heavy Bolter, Armorium Cherub - 155 --Detachment 2-- --HQ-- Emperor's Champion - 70 Grimaldus - 90 --Troops-- Crusader Squad, Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw, Plasma Gun, Grav-cannon - 123 Crusader Squad, Combi-plasma, Lightning Claw, Plasma Gun, Grav-cannon - 123 5x Scouts, Bolt Pistol/Combat Knife - 55 --Heavy Support-- Land Raider Crusader, Multi-melta - 286 --Dedicated Transports-- Razorback, Twin Lascannon - 110 Razorback, Twin Assault Cannon - 114 Total: 1985 points Obviously a mix of optimization and stuff I had at hand. I'd get Storm Shields for the Sword-wielding Sword Brethren, but I don't have any more lying around. Sigismash on the bike as Warlord for the Vigilus warlord trait. Grimaldus goes in one Razorback, the Champion in the other and Helbrecht goes in the LRC. I've got some flexibility with my Sword Brethren and Crusader Squads as I can mix and match between the two Razorbacks and the LRC as needed depending on what I'm fighting; the Crusader Squads really appreciate the rerolls from Helbrecht, but the Sword Brethren obviously benefit more from the +1 S. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Arthur Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I’m doing a similar build and using hammers for the same reason. Let us know how the game goes. Hopefully your sword brethren will do Dorn proud. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitzaf Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 What Is Grim doing in this list over just having a babysitting Marshall and/or Castallen? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Laeroth Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 How about Sword Brethren on bikes with Storm Bolters and Shields? Sure, it's 180 for 5, but you get 40 shots in Rapid Fire range, you get T5 W2 3++ and the option to give them 5+ FNP, and you don't use up one of the three foot Sword Brethren slots.I think Bikers can't be selected for the Detachment/Stratagems.They have the company veterans keyword, so they can...but they would still count against your three units since technically, they are simply company vets taking bikes as an upgrade. They wouldn't count against the 3 because they are a separate datasheet. Yep! You are right. Corrected. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I think Company Veteran Bikers are about to become very popular Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 I wager, given the impractical price tags of Vet Bikers, many who take them will just be us old farts who miss being able to field lancers :teehee: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352372-sword-brethren-vigilus-special-detachment-and-you/page/5/#findComment-5223997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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