Borbarad Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 They considered a few approaches for the special spears: upgrade option to Troop datasheet, new unit type but didn’t have any background, so just did them as Guard in the Elite slot to basically get them out for testing. Considering as Troops based on feedback.. I hope they turn out to be a troops choice at some point. More ideally an upgrad option for the standard Custodes Squad; but I don’t see FW adding options to an existing GW entry. The Infernus Razorback is its own unit instead of an upgrade choice. The only exception is probably the Autocannon Chimera and that is an ancient model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5246224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildweasel Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 This isn't FW doing these rules, it's the GW Design Studio. They tossed out a future Chapter Approved as one place where these rules may end up getting "final" publication. Updated datasheets are very much a possibility.Personally, I would like an approach of being able to take a special spear per X models in Troop Guard, and then having a specialist Elite unit that is all special spears. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5246243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Good note from the WHTV livestream today, legit GW main Codex team rules, and as legitimate as the Sisters of Battle Beta Codex and the Beta Bolter rule, and allowed at GW events, and not Forge World, so if Sister of Battle are allowed at ETC/ITC etc then these are too, or should be. Some people get uppity about Forge World rules use, but these are not. Only the physical miniatures are FW. A few things first we can't watch the recording without paying right? Also, I might need more caffeine as I need a little more clarity to your post. They are saying we can use SoB and Beta Bolter rules in GW events but not FW rules right now? Also what are you talking about the "legit GW main Codex teams rules"? What currently counts as official GW events right now is that not just events at warhammer world and warhammer game store events? As far as I know GW does not sponsor or sanction any large events any more or has that changed? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5246250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildweasel Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Yes, you need a paid sub to watch back videos.What they mean is that these Custodes beta rules have gone through the same process and have the same "weight" as the beta SoB and Bolter Drill rules. What any given event allows is still entirely up to the TO's - even GW and WHW has different events that do different things. Basically, what they are saying is if someone goes "These beta Custodes rules are janky FW rules" they are wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5246260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinion Posted February 1, 2019 Author Share Posted February 1, 2019 Good note from the WHTV livestream today, legit GW main Codex team rules, and as legitimate as the Sisters of Battle Beta Codex and the Beta Bolter rule, and allowed at GW events, and not Forge World, so if Sister of Battle are allowed at ETC/ITC etc then these are too, or should be. Some people get uppity about Forge World rules use, but these are not. Only the physical miniatures are FW. A few things first we can't watch the recording without paying right? Also, I might need more caffeine as I need a little more clarity to your post. They are saying we can use SoB and Beta Bolter rules in GW events but not FW rules right now? Also what are you talking about the "legit GW main Codex teams rules"? What currently counts as official GW events right now is that not just events at warhammer world and warhammer game store events? As far as I know GW does not sponsor or sanction any large events any more or has that changed? Right, have to subscribe to see the vod! And i mean that the GW codex team wrote the rules not the FW team, and that certain events like ETC, dont let you use Forge World rules and Indexes They mentioned the name of an event specifically, but i've forgot what it was! But naywhere that uses the CA Sisters codex should let you use these. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5246263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Good note from the WHTV livestream today, legit GW main Codex team rules, and as legitimate as the Sisters of Battle Beta Codex and the Beta Bolter rule, and allowed at GW events, and not Forge World, so if Sister of Battle are allowed at ETC/ITC etc then these are too, or should be. Some people get uppity about Forge World rules use, but these are not. Only the physical miniatures are FW. A few things first we can't watch the recording without paying right? Also, I might need more caffeine as I need a little more clarity to your post. They are saying we can use SoB and Beta Bolter rules in GW events but not FW rules right now? Also what are you talking about the "legit GW main Codex teams rules"? What currently counts as official GW events right now is that not just events at warhammer world and warhammer game store events? As far as I know GW does not sponsor or sanction any large events any more or has that changed? The legit main codex teams means these rules were written by the same team who wrote all the 8th edition 40k codexes. Originally these Custodes rules were going to be written by the Forgeworld rules team which meant GW could ignore them, however now they are written by GWs own team they have to include them in any GW event. If an independent event disallowed them it would be the equivalent of disallowing the sisters of battle beta codex and when they are finalised it would be the equivalent of disallowing Codex: Orks or any other codex. As for event support, GW said this last year about wanting to support more events: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/03/good-times-guaranteed-announcing-event-supportgw-homepage-post-4/ So hopefully they will and would likely withdraw support for any event that blocked their main rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5246288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 That is super interesting so the core GW codex team took the early rules from FW and did a pass by them before releasing them to us. You still get the feel of FW weapons here but they were not as extreme as I was expecting. The one thing I wish GW would get away form is the weapons that wound yourself or at least do a option like they have now for plasma charged shot. Still looking at Abaddon's sword hurting himself. I feel this is really interesting and great change if we will see more GW codex teams going over FW rules before they are released to the public. I was guessing it was GW doing the FW point cost adjustments for Chapter Approved but this make a lot more sense. Also thanks Markosian and Rinion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5246314 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 That is BS about Krole - that is a super awesome mini !!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5246447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krom4095 Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I agree on Jenetia Krole. Really wish they would have gone with their first instinct and given some generic SoS 40K HQ rules. It would have been great just to see her on the table a bit. I own that model and it one of my favorites. I don't play 30K, so I'll get her on the tabletop somehow, some way, but a Sgt level leader seems demeaning to so great a model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5246527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Geoff pointed out that the Galatus had str+5 in an earlier set of rules. I think this might be changed and the current rules are an error. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5246568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Gimmy dat pistol flamer and the str+5 and we have a dealllll. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5246580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 To me at least I was hoping when the 8th press releases stated that dreads were going to get better, I had envisioned dreads and MCs being about to use flamer weapons in combat. I still hold to that idea if the weapon is S6 or less it can be fired "like" a pistol being able to spray down enemies they are locked in combat with. The idea is not mine I remember this from the original dawn of war games and how visually stunning the concept was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5246765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dulahan Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 To me at least I was hoping when the 8th press releases stated that dreads were going to get better, I had envisioned dreads and MCs being about to use flamer weapons in combat. I still hold to that idea if the weapon is S6 or less it can be fired "like" a pistol being able to spray down enemies they are locked in combat with. The idea is not mine I remember this from the original dawn of war games and how visually stunning the concept was. Yeah. The... way things like Dreads and Monsters and even special characters are kind of a joke an easy to tarpit is kind of a bummer compared to how awesome they could be in previous editions. Jump in, murder a bunch, don't take a scratch in turn then overwhelm? Just doesn't happen anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5248578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFinisher4Ever Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 So what does everyone think is the best load out for the Telemon now? I'm currently leaning towards doing 2 Arachnus Storm Cannons that way I can run both of my Calladius tanks with Iliastus accelerators. I do find it strange that the Telemons Arachnus is so much better than the Callidius' and the reverse is true with the Accelerators. You would think it would be one or the other, that the Telemon would either have stronger versions or weaker versions of both weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5248643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loshkins Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 I'll be running two Telemon, one with double storm cannons doing its thing, the other with storm cannon and fist jumping in with some terminators. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5248675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Fist pumping brother. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5248691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 So what does everyone think is the best load out for the Telemon now? I'm currently leaning towards doing 2 Arachnus Storm Cannons that way I can run both of my Calladius tanks with Iliastus accelerators. I do find it strange that the Telemons Arachnus is so much better than the Callidius' and the reverse is true with the Accelerators. You would think it would be one or the other, that the Telemon would either have stronger versions or weaker versions of both weapons. That discussion is also here http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353495-ultimate-telemon-build-choppy/ :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5248711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
necroscope Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 The Aquilon Terminators are looking good! Maybe . . too good. In a world where an Aquilon Terminator with Solarite Power Gauntlet and Lastrum Storm Bolter is basically the same price as an Allarus Terminator with an axe I would rarely take the Allarus. The Allarus have more varied shooting, and the subjective benefit of reasonable stratagem support, but at their job, killing heavy units, the Aquilon have a weapon with +2 strength and +2 AP compared to the Allarus. That's a huge bonus against any T8 target or any T7 target without an invulnerable. They will make mincemeat of Wraithknights that Allarus would stop short up against, as one particular example. Not withstanding the fact the models seem much better scaled.e They do lack the ability to use the Unleash the Lions strategem. I agree though they are very powerful I'll run 3 allarus and 3 Aquilon now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5248737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Here is my first shot at a new army list using some FW:++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [449pts] +++ HQ +Captain [6 PL, 124pts]: 2. Artisan of War, Jump Pack, Storm shield, The Angel's Wing (replaces jump pack), Thunder hammer, WarlordChief Librarian Mephiston [160pts]+ Troops +Scout Squad [55pts]. 4x Scout: Combat knife. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combat knifeScout Squad [55pts]. 4x Scout: Combat knife Scout Squad [55pts]. 4x Scout: Combat knife++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [1545pts] +++ HQ +Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9 PL, 160pts]: Auric Aquilis, Hurricane Bolter+ Elites +Allarus Custodians [237pts]. 3x Allarus Custodian: Castellan AxeCustodian Wardens [183pts]. 3x Warden: Castellan Axe, MisericordiaVexillus Praetor [118pts]: Castellan Axe, Misericordia, Vexilla Magnifica+ Fast Attack +Vertus Praetors [360pts]. 4x Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter+ Heavy Support +Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt CannonTelemon Heavy Dreadnought (Beta) [277pts]: Arachnus Storm Cannon, Spiculus Bolt Launcher. Telemon Caestus: Twin Plasma Projector++ Total: [1994pts] ++ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5248827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFinisher4Ever Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I'll be taking a mostly FW list to a local ITC Tournament this weekend. Here is the list; Trajann Vexillus Praetor with Magnifica and Axe 2x Pallas 2x Caladius with Illiastus 2x 3 Sagittarum with knives Telemon with Arachnus cannons Orion Assault Dropship The idea behind it is really simple; move up and shoot stuff while in the -1 to hit and reroll 1s to hit and wound auras. It puts out a decent amount of extremely accurate dakka. Against knights, it can put out 10 D3 shots with reroll wounds as well as 16 shots of S8 and Dd3. I can also use the orion to block any knights from charging since it has such a big flyer base. Against hordes, I'm putting out 36 Arachnus shots and between 53-58 ap-1 shots per turn. And since almost all of it has fly and -2 to charges, im not scared about being tied up in combat or even most deep strikers since they will need an 11 or higher to charge. I have no idea if this list will work, but I think it will be fun. And since I'm running the event, I like to bring quick armies so I can help out other tables without worrying about running out of time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5249255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Not enough boot on the ground for me... seems like a gimmicky list tbh . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5249277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradogmatic Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 This is my target for my first build -- have a ton of models in boxes and I need to get them on the table -- I have bikes and also access to a Coronus but I was thinking of building troops etc first to have more flexibility when I add larger point cost items. If I added the Coronus I'd probably drop the Allarus for now. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [100 PL, 8CP, 1995pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + Battle-forged CP [3CP] Detachment CP [5CP] Use Beta Rules + HQ + Captain-General Trajann Valoris [10 PL, 185pts]: Champion of the Imperium, Warlord Shield Captain in Allarus Terminator Armor [8 PL, 122pts]: Guardian Spear, Praetorian Plate + Troops + Custodian Guard Squad [8 PL, 169pts] . Custodian: Guardian Spear, Misericordia . Custodian: Guardian Spear, Misericordia . Custodian: Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield Custodian Guard Squad [8 PL, 169pts] . Custodian: Guardian Spear, Misericordia . Custodian: Guardian Spear, Misericordia . Custodian: Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield Custodian Guard Squad [8 PL, 169pts] . Custodian: Guardian Spear, Misericordia . Custodian: Guardian Spear, Misericordia . Custodian: Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield + Elites + Allarus Custodians [18 PL, 332pts] . Allarus Custodian: Castellan Axe, Misericordia . Allarus Custodian: Castellan Axe, Misericordia . Allarus Custodian: Castellan Axe, Misericordia . Allarus Custodian: Castellan Axe, Misericordia Vexillus Praetor in Allarus Terminator Armor [7 PL, 134pts]: Misericordia, Vexilla Magnifica + Fast Attack + Venatari Custodians (Beta) [19 PL, 420pts] . Venatari Custodian: Misericordia . . Kinetic Destroyer and Tarsus Buckler: Kinetic Destroyer, Tarsus Buckler . Venatari Custodian: Misericordia . . Kinetic Destroyer and Tarsus Buckler: Kinetic Destroyer, Tarsus Buckler . Venatari Custodian: Misericordia . . Kinetic Destroyer and Tarsus Buckler: Kinetic Destroyer, Tarsus Buckler . Venatari Custodian: Misericordia . . Kinetic Destroyer and Tarsus Buckler: Kinetic Destroyer, Tarsus Buckler . Venatari Custodian: Misericordia . . Kinetic Destroyer and Tarsus Buckler: Kinetic Destroyer, Tarsus Buckler . Venatari Custodian: Misericordia . . Kinetic Destroyer and Tarsus Buckler: Kinetic Destroyer, Tarsus Buckler + Heavy Support + Sagittarum Custodians (Beta) [14 PL, 295pts] . Sagittarum Custodian: Adrastus Bolt Caliver, Misericordia . Sagittarum Custodian: Adrastus Bolt Caliver, Misericordia . Sagittarum Custodian: Adrastus Bolt Caliver, Misericordia . Sagittarum Custodian: Adrastus Bolt Caliver, Misericordia . Sagittarum Custodian: Adrastus Bolt Caliver, Misericordia ++ Total: [100 PL, 8CP, 1995pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5249323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I like it - lots of boots on the ground !!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5249334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Funktastic Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Looks like a fun list! A Coronus wouldn't be a bad idea but having a deepstriking threat is always nice. I'm planning on trying out a bit of a gimmicky list in trying to get the Vexilla Teleport Homer off for the Aquilons as far as I can get it on my opponent's side of the board by the end of movement on turn 2, but otherwise I think it's fairly balanced. Plenty of deep striking threats and backline firepower in the Caladius that can move around and reposition if needed. I can also modify this list to swap out the Venatari and Contemptor Achillus for a 4th Vertus Praetor and a double Arachnus Storm Cannon Telemon, which might even be the stronger list, but I want the chance to use Venatari and see what they got and at the very least deep striking the Contemptor Achillus, Aquilons, and Allarus SC all at the same time is definitely going to give my opponent something to think when their turn comes. ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Adeptus Custodes) [103 PL, 8CP, 1997pts] ++ + No Force Org Slot + Battle-forged CP [3CP] Detachment CP [5CP] Use Beta Rules + HQ + Shield Captain in Allarus Terminator Armor [8 PL, 128pts]: Castellan Axe, Misericordia Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike [9 PL, 164pts]: Auric Aquilis, Hurricane Bolter, Misericordia, Superior Creation, Warlord + Troops + Custodian Guard Squad [8 PL, 161pts] . Custodian: Guardian Spear . Custodian: Guardian Spear . Custodian: Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield Custodian Guard Squad [8 PL, 161pts] . Custodian: Guardian Spear . Custodian: Guardian Spear . Custodian: Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield Custodian Guard Squad [8 PL, 161pts] . Custodian: Guardian Spear . Custodian: Guardian Spear . Custodian: Sentinel Blade, Storm Shield + Elites + Aquilon Custodians (Beta) [13 PL, 264pts] . Aquilon Custodian: Infernus Firepike, Solarite power Gauntlet . Aquilon Custodian: Infernus Firepike, Solarite power Gauntlet . Aquilon Custodian: Infernus Firepike, Solarite power Gauntlet Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought (Beta) [8 PL, 140pts]: 2x Lastrum Storm Bolter Vexillus Praetor [6 PL, 128pts]: Castellan Axe, Misericordia, Vexilla Magnifica + Fast Attack + Venatari Custodians (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts] . Venatari Custodian: Misericordia . . Kinetic Destroyer and Tarsus Buckler: Kinetic Destroyer, Tarsus Buckler . Venatari Custodian: Misericordia . . Kinetic Destroyer and Tarsus Buckler: Kinetic Destroyer, Tarsus Buckler . Venatari Custodian: Misericordia . . Kinetic Destroyer and Tarsus Buckler: Kinetic Destroyer, Tarsus Buckler Vertus Praetors [15 PL, 270pts] . Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter . Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter . Vertus Praetor: Hurricane Bolter + Heavy Support + Caladius Grav-tank (Beta) [10 PL, 210pts]: Twin Illiastus Accelerator Cannon, Twin Lastrum Bolt Cannon ++ Total: [103 PL, 8CP, 1997pts] ++ Created with BattleScribe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5249413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TempestBlade Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Has anyone have any play time with the Pallas? They look great on paper Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353364-complete-fw-custodes-rules-beta-official/page/6/#findComment-5249417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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