FinkleLord Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Hello, At my local game store we have monthly tournaments. Within the last few months the store owner has been lowering the point limit and codex limit. Last month we had a 1650. This month we are going for 1000. So my question is, how competitive can we be? I heard talk of people bringing the Loyal 32 plus Knights, Custode bikes and CP battery, and Eldar smack down. Can we compete against this sort of thing? Any advice is welcome! Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SanguinaryGuardsman Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Hello, At my local game store we have monthly tournaments. Within the last few months the store owner has been lowering the point limit and codex limit. Last month we had a 1650. This month we are going for 1000. So my question is, how competitive can we be? I heard talk of people bringing the Loyal 32 plus Knights, Custode bikes and CP battery, and Eldar smack down. Can we compete against this sort of thing? Any advice is welcome! Thanks! Deathwatch maybe. Codex Marines, not a chance. Marines are actually worse at low points imo. Their points inefficiency is magnified even further when available resources are scarce. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5250153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Because the army is based around auras that multiply the power, it has a greater effect in bigger armies. At small scale they are pretty weak and unable to control the board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5250406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preliminary Bombardment Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 You can bring alot of Guard dakka for 1000. Edit: Oops sorry wrong sub forum, thought this was a more general discussion! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5250440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipsen Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Space marines most efficient units are its characters. Herohammer is pretty potent in lower points games where there's less dakka to focus fire tough characters down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5250477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinkleLord Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Hmm that's a real shame! I was hoping to have some chance. I know other codex's shine better in lower point games. I guess the next question is what could we run to be even remotely competitive or to even stand a chance? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5250698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 how many dreadnoughts do you have Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5250714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinkleLord Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 how many dreadnoughts do you have 2 Leviathans - Stormcannons 2 Motris Contemptor Dreads - Lascannon or Kheres Assault Cannon 4 Venerable Dreadnoughts - Various loadouts 1 Contemtpor Dread - Kheres Assault Cannon plus Fist 1 Ironclad Dreadnought 1 Redemptor Dreadnought Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5250719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Nice. I wouldn’t normally put together a unit made of “dreads” but if someone cheesing Knights and the 32 at a thousand points , then I think it’s perfectly reasonable able for Astartes to bring out the boys in boxes. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5250782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 Love me some Ironclads, and all the more with beta bolters. Hunter Killers are nice and cheap as well, and even though they're one offs, a big volley turn one costs peanuts and can make a big hole. A fully decked out pair at 1k points...ehhhh maybe not? Still, for style points 2 Ironclads and an LRC just look dead sexy :teehee: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5251214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinkleLord Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 Love me some Ironclads, and all the more with beta bolters. Hunter Killers are nice and cheap as well, and even though they're one offs, a big volley turn one costs peanuts and can make a big hole. A fully decked out pair at 1k points...ehhhh maybe not? Still, for style points 2 Ironclads and an LRC just look dead sexy Now that is something I can get behind! Sadly I just don't have the LRC, just the Achilles lol Though the Redemptor plus Repulsor looks nice with the bolter beta rule Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5251564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuul Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 If you your tournament uses latest beta rules with bolters and CA2018 SM are better now, not meta-defining but better anyway. Last week we had 1000pt points tournament (with forge world minis banned) here in Kyiv with 20 people on board I took second place (first one went to guy with Catellan knight and IG detachment) with this list: ++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Marines) [64 PL, 1000pts] ++**Chapter Selection****Chapter Selection**: Iron Hands+ HQ +Captain on Bike [6 PL, 105pts]: Power axe, Storm of Fire, Storm shield, The Axe of Medusa, Twin boltgun, WarlordLieutenants [4 PL, 62pts]. Lieutenant: Chainsword, Storm bolterTechmarine [4 PL, 45pts]: Boltgun, Chainsword, Servo-arm+ Troops +Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor SergeantIntercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor SergeantScout Squad [6 PL, 55pts]. Scout Sergeant: Astartes shotgun, Chainsword. 4x Scout w/Shotgun+ Elites +Dreadnought [7 PL, 133pts]: Twin autocannon, Twin lascannonDreadnought [7 PL, 133pts]: Twin autocannon, Twin lascannonRedemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 155pts]: 2x Storm Bolters, Heavy Onslaught Gatling Cannon, Onslaught Gatling Cannon+ Fast Attack +Bike Squad [5 PL, 71pts]. Biker Sergeant: Storm bolter, Twin boltgun. 2x Space Marine Biker w/Bolt Pistol: 2x Twin boltgunBike Squad [5 PL, 71pts]. Biker Sergeant: Storm bolter, Twin boltgun. 2x Space Marine Biker w/Bolt Pistol: 2x Twin boltgun++ Total: [64 PL, 1000pts] ++Note that IH chapter tactics allows Redemptor to move and shoot without penalties (for CP) while increasing his surviveability that is quite good on 1000pts games. Cap on bike gives you some flexibility to think whom to boost - bikers (which are great after cost drop and good at kiting with new bolter rules) or help redemptor. Lieutenant helps 2 dreads shooting, do not forget to activate their aura for reroll of 1s if cap is not near. Techmarine simply helps to keep dreads alive (they do have fnp as well due to being IH). Also army-wide fnp really helps on low-point tournaments as those few extra wounds can save a day. As our tournament was quite mission-heavy bikes helped a lot to compete with other fast factions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5252542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zero88 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 They're forgotten a lot but a TFC can be really useful, especially at lower points. With how important scoring is being able to bog down key scorers with Tremor shells at the right time is clutch, assuming you aren't playing against Eldar. The Gunner being able to repair backfield Dreadnoughts is just a cherry on it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5253215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 They're forgotten a lot but a TFC can be really useful, especially at lower points. With how important scoring is being able to bog down key scorers with Tremor shells at the right time is clutch, assuming you aren't playing against Eldar. The Gunner being able to repair backfield Dreadnoughts is just a cherry on it. And they dropped in points in Chapter Approved, so they're under 100 points a pop now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5254408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firepower Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Hmm, perhaps Scout Bike squads? Fairly cheap for what they can do, with some much needed mobility that a small Marine army is otherwise likely to lack? The most bang per buck I can think of is a Captain, Ven Dread, 2 Thunderfires, 2 Scout Bike squads, 3 Scout squads, 2 Sternguard squads. A touch under 1k with room to fiddle around. Largely a shooty force really, but that's C:SM for ya. Also haven't got any Primaris in that list, either, which may not be great in the long term. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5254600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinkleLord Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 I did come up with a list, albeit not as competitive as I would like. It's more geared to a doubles than solo, but I enjoy it. Captain - Storm Shield, Power Axe Techmarine - Storm Bolter, Power Axe Servitors (Left over points for Vanguard) 4x Company Vets - Combi Plasma x4, Storm Shield x4 4x Company Vets - Combi Plasma x4, Storm Shield x4 Thunderfire Cannon Leviathan Dreadnought - x2 Stormcannon Arrays Razorback - Twin Assault Cannon Razorback - Twin Assault Cannon It defiantly won't be winning any competitive games, but I think it could be a good supplement for a doubles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5255344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyCrow Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Don’t try to compete for damage, compete for victory conditions. Survive and take the objectives. Do some sacrifices. Fight only when you have to to reduce your exposure. For 1000pts competitive, I like my Primaris Captain + 19 Bolt Rifle Intercessors + 2 Repulsor with TwinLas/both Onslaught Cannons/Stormbolters all around. Choose whether to deploy in or out depending on victory conditions, ensure infantry superiority with the Repulsors, avoid fighting with the Intercessors until late game. Use terrain to hide from Knights. —- If you prefer to think of competitive about comparing the size of your bolts with other guys, go for a Knight as it’s got the best dmg per pt and survivability per point with the stratagems. A Knight can easily take on and destroy 2x its points, more with stupid opponents. There is no better option currently that I found. If you’re looking to win with strategy, maneuvering and thinking, build a list around objective supremacy at Turn 5 and 6. Including but not limited to : - Enough objective secured for late game and - Decent ability to fight on objectives or - Decent ability to shoot down objective holders or threats or - Decent movement/deployment ability to sneakily take objectives or - Decent distraction to occupy your opponent for 3+ turns while taking fire away from objective secured Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/353678-competitive-at-low-points/#findComment-5259745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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