Vanguard Primaris Marines - Intro Thread

[Sete]

Sent an email to community with a couple suggestions.

 

Primaris Emperor Champion. It's the easiest one to do without Rubicon Primaris shenanigans.

A conversion and rules in the style of the grandmaster on baby harness would be cool.

 

Also pay some points for extra Chainsword on intercessors for BT and SW. Probably won't amount to anything but hey, it would make me play Primaris easily.

[Marshal Reinhard]

An EC kit (could go in the place of our "Lieutenant" kit if neccessary) and upgrade set would go a really long way. Also want Grimaldus and Helbrecht to go through the rubicon. No need for drama on that point, just make updates for 'em. 

 

When it comes to close combat I'm fine with a generic kit (which I'm sure we'll get in the future at some point) but it would be a nice touch if the aforementioned upgrade set were to be compatible.

 

And all of this without it taking a million years to get there.

[Sete]

I think an upgrade sprue would solve most of our issues with a couple of added rules.

I got the wake the dead Lieutenant, gonna chop that awfull sword (seriously the new power swords are bad looking) add a chopped grey knight one, get rid of the aquilla and the knee edge,add a converted rosarius and that's a Primaris EC.

 

Yeah preferably it won't take another decade :/

[Ishagu]

On the topic of Redemptor Dreads, they are OK. Pretty cheap now and good Dakka.

 

Anti tank Dreads are OK but if you're going that route it's best to go for a FW Contemptor.

[Captain Idaho]

120pts for a Dreadnought with anti tank focus is great and cheap. Easily spammable.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

I think an upgrade sprue would solve most of our issues with a couple of added rules.

I got the wake the dead Lieutenant, gonna chop that awfull sword (seriously the new power swords are bad looking) add a chopped grey knight one, get rid of the aquilla and the knee edge,add a converted rosarius and that's a Primaris EC.

 

Yeah preferably it won't take another decade :/

The new power swords all appear to be Gladii. Which look ok on UM, maybe IF, but don't fit the BT range in the slightest.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Eh, not really? I mean the UM specific has a clear Gladius. The other swords aren't nearly that short.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Too short for the models really, SM have gotten bigger, while their swords have not increased proportionately.

[Robbienw]

Its the hilts and cross guards on the primaris powerswords really.  They are oddly shaped and plain, they don't look as good as previous sm ones. 

 

The two Dark Angel primaris powerswords are an exception to this though, they are still good.

[Marshal Reinhard]

you realize that a sword longer than the arm that wields is not considered "short" right? That said, I'm all for longer swords. 

[chapter master 454]

Redemptor really suffers from how Cawl seems to have approached anti-tank weaponry. "So Cawl, I wager you have some incredible weapons for my new primaris" "Yes, new gatling cannons that look awesome and look at how I made this plasma better!" "Great to hear, that covers my new marines for infantry and even heavy infantry. Now what have you developed for heavy armour? With these results I look forward to what you have" "...Plasma?"

 

Maybe if the redemptor had a twin linked lastalon option it would give it that trinity of weapon options where only two are actually used while the third is kept for cool factor. I mean, Onslaught weapon series of weapons gets all three of the triangle points (Cool, Effective and Purpose) while the Plasma has 2 with missing the actual important one (cool and purpose) while a twin-linked lastalon would cover the other two and be used (purpose and effective).

Maybe even strap a second ranged weapon onto it and make it a proper walking ork mek wet dream.

Will say, in the future will we see Lastalons on the suppressors as an option? Would be cool

[Marshal Reinhard]

given that lastalons have boltgun range, the mobility of the surpressors would pretty much be indispensible if that were the case

[Lemondish]

given that lastalons have boltgun range, the mobility of the surpressors would pretty much be indispensible if that were the case

Sure, but would also render their Suppression rule worthless.

 

It may not have much value around these parts, but even GW wouldn't abandon a special rule like this.

[Panzer]

 

given that lastalons have boltgun range, the mobility of the surpressors would pretty much be indispensible if that were the case

Sure, but would also render their Suppression rule worthless.

 

It may not have much value around these parts, but even GW wouldn't abandon a special rule like this.

 

 

*cough* Flamer Aggressors *cough*

 

Also the suppressing special rule would work with Las Talons just as well as with their Autocannons. Probably better even as you'd have a higher chance of actually killing a model. In fact the Las Talon would outclass their autocannon in everything except for range so that's probably a better reason why they are unlikely to get such an option. ^^

[Red_Shift]

Would suppressors work with melta? Seems like one of the few situations where the ability to redeploy would be very useful.

[Guest Triszin]

Would suppressors work with melta? Seems like one of the few situations where the ability to redeploy would be very useful.

hmm, What about Suppressors with Grav weapons? that effect vehicles, as the accelerators effect infantry

[Lemondish]

I imagine they'll get flamers or onslaught cannons.

[Panzer]

I doubt Onslaught Cannons simply because Inceptors are already the Jump Pack guys with S5 AP-1 D1 dakka.

[Subtleknife]

Personally I feel GW have really mucked up with suppressors. That rule would have been a hell of a lot more useful and probably more fluffy on inceptors, it would really shine either with bolsters or plasma. I think supressors need another rule to do with heavy weapons.

[Guest Triszin]

I am 90% certain that the seven-man vanguard sprue in this box will end up being a kill team specific release.

1 eliminator, 1 sniper, 5 man squad of infiltrators.

 

The size of the sprue is right in my mind.

[Brother Casman]

Interesting tidbit from the little codex in the Shadowspear box - the 10th Company is supposed to maintain a permanent complement of Vanguard Marines. This suggests that a complete Primaris Chapter would have a "Vanguard Company" instead of a Scout Company, I think.

[Robbienw]

Guess that answers the composition of a Primaris chapter 10th company, that’s one question ticked off the list.

[CCE1981]

 

 

 

given that lastalons have boltgun range, the mobility of the surpressors would pretty much be indispensible if that were the case

Sure, but would also render their Suppression rule worthless.

 

It may not have much value around these parts, but even GW wouldn't abandon a special rule like this.

*cough* Flamer Aggressors *cough*

 

Also the suppressing special rule would work with Las Talons just as well as with their Autocannons. Probably better even as you'd have a higher chance of actually killing a model. In fact the Las Talon would outclass their autocannon in everything except for range so that's probably a better reason why they are unlikely to get such an option. ^^

You’re forgetting points, a Lastalon costs 40 pts. I am not arguing against that just pointing out that for a mere 25pts per model you get a badly needed anti-tank unit that can still do its original job better.

 

Just to point out again that I think giving suppressors an onslought gatling gun is a “bad” idea, for a mere 6 pts per model difference you effectively double the units ability to cause casualties to low toughness units, the math even works out that your more likely to stop a Primaris squad from shooting with OGCs than the Autocannons Suppressors currently have.

[redmapa]

Interesting tidbit from the little codex in the Shadowspear box - the 10th Company is supposed to maintain a permanent complement of Vanguard Marines. This suggests that a complete Primaris Chapter would have a "Vanguard Company" instead of a Scout Company, I think.

 

So I guess the Neophyte stage is gone from the Chapters and only Initiates are allowed amongst the ranks, makes sense since Guilliman is bringing the legion modus operandi. Still kind of leaves a question in other chapters, what happens to SW? Will their Vanguard be Veterans or just normal? What about the Crusader Squad? Black Templars have zero real organization but the Crusader Squad is THE building block of the Chapter so what happens to them now that the Neopyhte isnt going to the frontlines? So many questions, so little answers, the more they try and flesh the Primaris the more I smell the stench of fluff writers sweating profusely as they try to plug all these holes only for more to come up.

[Robbienw]

No, all it means is chapters now maintain a permanent complement of Vanguard as part of their 10th company.

 

It doesn’t mean they replace the Scouts in the 10th company, or that Scouts cease to exist.

 

Remember classic marines are still being made in the current 40k time setting, and Scouts are still present in current background.