Warhammer Community survey 15th April

[Sete]

Ok it seems the Guard Infantry revamp, Eldar revamp and renegades and heretics are the top 3 requests.

 

So we have 1 Imperium, 1 xenos and 1 chaos request.

 

For HH MK2 starter set, a different sistem, should not affect 40k.

 

It will be impossible to reach a 100% agreement, but I think these 4 with a personal input about something you personally would like to see would be a great source of feedback from the community at B&C.

 

So something like this:

 

Imperium: A reworked Astra Militarum Infantry Range.

 

Chaos: Renegades and Heretics Army Release

 

Xenos: Eldar Range Revamp.

 

Horus Heresy: A starter set with MK2 armour

 

*And I personally would like to see an Index Astartes/Supplement of the Black Templars.

 

*You personal opinion is at your discretion, write what you would like to see.

 

If anyone can improve the prose be my guest.im going to be out for the day cya guys later ;)

[Doctor Perils]

Two requests I've not seen:

- Give us Astartes mounting options again (including daemon mounts for "vanilla" heretic astartes) : A single bike kit with a couple of hand and head options should be enough for copyrighting purposes and would be gold for kitbashing. Also, if GK nemesis Dreadnought grand masters can be a thing, I've no idea why biker chaplains can't be a thing

 

- a new weapon technology for chaos marines that is widely available (sort of like how Graviton weapons were reinserted back into the marine line): I know this one is probably too late, but it can't harm anyone

[Jarl Caldersson]

I would think CSM would have volkite weaponry. After all they are from the HH era where Marines did have them. Then again I just want volkite back into SM/CSM hands.

[Grand Master Laertes]

Fire of Cyraxus.

[Captain Idaho]

Epic. We should all request Epic coming back.

[StruManChu]

I appreciate that this is unlikely to float a heap of people's boats, but...

 

GW and FW need to figure out where the Horus Heresy game sits within their organisation. It was, possibly is, and definitely has the potential to again be a massive seller for them, but there's currently no way in for new players. I can understand GW Main wanting to steer the kiddies through AoS or 40k proper, because it gives you a start in the stores, with painting lessons and intro games and so on, and that's how they sell to people. I get it. I get that they don't want 30k eating into their flagship game's sales. All that said though, there needs to be an easy way in.

 

For returning veterans, like I was when I came back to the hobby with 30k, the initial buy in is now huge. The rules are all over the damn place. You've got to get the Rulebook, the Black Books, the Red Books, and today's FAQ, and then you get to play with your minis which you have to buy piecemeal because there's no box set.

 

This runs in complete contrast to every other game in the GW and Specialist Games lines. Bloodbowl, Necromunda, MESBG, even AT, which technically falls under the Horus Heresy umbrella.

 

Here's what I propose to revamp the Horus Heresy game and bring it in line with the others -

 

- As has been previously said, Starter Set. New plastics, rulebook, templates, the lot. Sold in or at least purchasable from stores and readily available, like the other game systems.

- Once the DA have their day in the sun in Black Book number 9, stop printing the Black Books in their current format. Instead of having to back and re-edit the up to date rules into all of the Black Books, chop all the background out of them, and make new black books that don't need rules updates. Something like - 

• Black Book - Isstvan Saga (Background of Isstvan Battles from Books 1-3)
• Black Book - Treachery (Battles of Calth, Paramar, Signus, Chondax, other Traitor wins or major aggressions)
• Black Book - Retaliation (Battles of Phall, Thramas, Prospero, etc. - Loyalist wins)
• Black Book - All Loyalist Legion fluff
• Black Book - All Traitor Legion fluff
• Red Book - Loyalist Legion rules & Full AoD Army List
• Red Book - Traitor Legion rules & Full AoD Army List
• Red Book - Mechanicum rules & Full Army List
• Red Book - Dark Mech rules & Full Army List
• Red Book - Daemons rules & list
• Red Book - Knights rules & list
• Red Book - Imperial Army & Militia/Cultists rules & list

That way, the Black Books are never out of date, and the Red Books only need minor edits to update. As it stands there will be new generic unit rules in the upcoming Malevolence which will supercede those in the previous Black and Red Books, which means you need to hunt through a bunch of large, heavy books to find the most up to date rules. However, if they start treating the Red Books like Codices, and the Black Books as solely background, then there's no hunting around for rules because they're only in one place.

 

Oh, and a BT Codex for Sete. 

[Bryan Blaire]

I think people should just answer the survey the way they personally feel so that GW gets an actual impression of what the community itself really wants, not what some board sites want to artificially direct to GW as important. Echo chambers and all that.

 

For instance, I will never talk about Imperial Guard, Necrons, or Dark Eldar, they are just not segments I care about. If others feel otherwise, they should feel free to talk about it.

 

Let BT players, Eldar players, etc., speak for themselves, that way GW can really see what support, sales, etc., might really look like so they can make some well reasoned business decisions.

[Sete]

Not taking just the board into consideration but also reddit feedback.

 

Those 3 are the ones I see pop up often.

Of course no one is obliged to follow this, but I'm sure this year no one will be overwhelmingly voting in one subject like in sisters last year.

 

It's tottaly up to the individual to make the decision.

 

Last year I voted sisters. This year we could make another group have his wish come true. I dont think this will impact GW future releases that much.

 

Some of the stuff could be in the pipeline already.

 

It would be naive of us to think eldar range would be abandoned with a new plastic ranger on BSF, or renegades and heretics not happening with the dudes again in BSF.

[Captain Idaho]

Oh oh oh; how about new Necrons? The basic Warrior is so dated and needs an update whilst more focus on C'tan and a new model or 4 can go a long way!

 

After all, we got all sorts of powerful models now. What if we get a restored Nightbringer, Deceiver, Outsider and Dragon?

 

Big models, Lords of War.

[Magos Takatus]

Oh oh oh; how about new Necrons? The basic Warrior is so dated and needs an update whilst more focus on C'tan and a new model or 4 can go a long way!

 

After all, we got all sorts of powerful models now. What if we get a restored Nightbringer, Deceiver, Outsider and Dragon?

 

Big models, Lords of War.

Not just the basic warriors in my opinion. I don't have a strong connection to Necrons myself but I'm really not keep on the current Flayed One models and I can only imagine working with them in resin would be awful. I think they deserve the plastic treatment so that they can go back to having thin surgical blades for fingers instead of clumsy looking shears. Your idea to redo the named C'Tan would be pretty great too. They aren't bad models in my opinion but they can do a lot more with plastic nowadays so they could look amazing.

[Bryan Blaire]

So basically every faction that hasn’t been completely redone in the last three or so years needs some things still...

[Jarl Caldersson]

So basically every faction that hasn’t been completely redone in the last three or so years needs some things still...

Unfortunately this was the can of worms GW opened. Once you update one faction, or introduce a new faction, with shiny new models then every other faction will want the same treatment. The truth is that GW has been sitting on the same models for awhile and enjoying the profits. I am not 100% sure what every faction returns in profits, but I would think almost all the older molds have paid for themselves.

 

So am sure alot of IG players were happy with their models, and then GSC got their new models and Blackstone renegades. Then IG players went "we want that too". Which is just natural to do.

[firestorm40k]

Seeing as we're wish-listing... ;) :D

 

Astra Militarum/Last & Damned: a new Guard kit that has an alternative upgrade sprue to make it Chaos/Traitor Guard is a bit of a no-brainer, if GW are going to do some new Militarum minis.  Have a sprue for torsos/legs bodies, then one with arms, guns & heads for Imperial Militarum, one for Traitors.  

 

Chaos: seeing as the Codex has at its core big blobs of Chaos Marines or even bigger blobs of Cultists, it's always annoyed me that Chaos only have two transports that can only take max 10 infantry.  So I'd like a transport that can transport 15 Chaos Marines or 20 Cultists (yeah, yeah, they're disposable meat shields, but at least let them get close enough to fulfill the role before they catch the bullets so the Chaos Marines don't have to :D ); whether it's a Land Raider or a debased Militarum tank of some sort, I'm sure the designers at GW can come up with something.  Please..!

[Ascanius]

I think the three main things I will ask for are:

 

More upgrade and detailing kits, whether they're GW plastic or FW resin, and more transfers.

 

The Genestealer Cults upgrade sprue is a good basic model, but I'd like to see it expanded to include both Primaris and Original Recipe Space Marines, at least for those chapters with significant visual divergence from the norm. The Iron Hands Tactical Squad Upgrade Pack is another good example, but I think it would be great if they just did something like a "Space Marine Augmetics" kit, a "Robes" kit, "Tabards" kit, et cetera. Space Marines of all types get augmetic replacements, so I can well imagine people other than Iron Hands players tossing in a bionic leg here and there.

 

Same for Chaos Space Marines, of course; it doesn't have to be Legion-specific, but why not various Warp mutations to help you jazz things up? Imagine a pistol hand that's a tentacle, for instance. You could even do throwbacks to some of the old super-mutated Rogue Trader-era Chaos Space Marines.

 

As for transfers, the main thing I want is transfers that look less like graphic-designed icons and more like things that might actually be applied in the world that the models represent. No-one thinks that the Black Legion is going to have their armouring slaves paint a little cartoony highlight on the pupil of the eye in their symbol, for instance! They certainly didn't put those old transfers on the new models in Shadowspear:

 

 

Not all of the transfers are as bad as the Black Legion one, but they all do look outdated except for the most basic single-colour icons - and they all look too clean, especially any that have black lines between different colours like the Black Legion and Night Lords do. I know that's a requirement of the era in which they were printed, but I'm pretty sure we can do better now.

 

If Games Workshop and/or Forge World can't or won't invest in holding stock of transfers for business reasons, which is entirely possible, then I think the smart choice would be to partner with a third party to get it done. GW can still design and thus control the imagery, but they should strike a deal with a print-on-demand house, the same way roleplaying game publishers outside the very biggest in the industry do for their books these days. It should even be possible to set up a way to order them in through your local GW store or third-party retailer, and the latter may even find it worthwhile to order in bulk and hold some stock depending on the local scene.

 

I also think upgrades and transfers should be expanded as much as possible across the range. The Genestealer Cults sprue helps you make a unit of Brood Brothers from the Imperial Guard, so why not a proper Traitor Guard upgrade sprue? An improved Chaos vehicle sprue that goes beyond just a couple of skulls on spikes? A Ynnari upgrade sprue that helps visually unify the disparate elements of that army, say some Guardian helmets with molded Ynnead runes, variant Harlequin masks, et cetera? Rather than metal Tallarn or Vostroyan models, do an upgrade sprue that works with the plastic kits.

 

Speaking of which . . .

 

New plastic Astra Militarum troops with modern proportions and female models.

 

The Skitarii and Neophyte Hybrids prove that it's eminently possible to design high-quality plastic kits with less chunky proportions. I would love to see a new design that either updated the Cadian Shock Trooper look to the current standard, or created a new generic standard that could serve to represent multiple regiments. Victoria Miniatures provides plenty of examples of how you can use the same bits in different combinations to represent different regiments; her Hexenheim Storm Troopers, Rausenberg Siege Corps, and Svargan Shock Soldats all have the same legs, her Tannenburg Fusiliers and Victorian Guard likewise.

 

Obviously, you'd have to settle on a single standard look, whether that be Cadian or something else, but to my mind it should be possible to, say, produce a new Cadian-style set with the flak armour chest over a tunic that "tucks in" at the belt line rather than continue over the hips, then relatively plain trousers below the belt as a separate piece. That way, you could use those legs with Catachan sleeveless and unarmoured torsos, or replace the legs with ones that give you a longer tunic (like the current Cadians) or a greatcoat.

 

Maybe you could even make the actual flak armour separate pieces that fit over a plainer uniform tunic chest, given we're in the era of CAD modelling, the way 40K Magnus the Red's chest armour is removable, to make it easier to use as the basis for other regiments or even just replace with things like bandoliers of grenades or whatever.

 

Obviously, there should be more female models in the Astra Militarum range, too. To be honest, I'd personally prefer to see 50/50 representation, which would also make it much easier for those who point out that mixed-gender units are rare in the lore and want to represent that on the tabletop; they could trade away the half they don't want, or split the contents of two boxes into units from different regiments. It's not like the all-male Cadian 649th likely ever fights as one coherent regiment, so if there's a platoon from the all-female Cadian 395th assigned to the same battlegroup, no big deal!

 

However, GW is still a business and we live in a fallen world, so I'd settle, albeit begrudgingly, for better-designed male-default troops kits and then some upgrade sprues, either plastic or resin, to give us female troops. The differences between even Victoria Miniatures' male and female models aren't enormous, at least for some regiments, so you could probably get away with just providing female heads through Forge World if the new basic kit were proportioned more like the Neophyte Hybrids. A female head on this guy would look perfectly natural to me, just as the male and female Atalan Jackals have almost identical body and limb proportions.

 

Finally . . .

 

More additions to the game like Index Astartes in White Dwarf

 

This seems almost certain to happen now that White Dwarf has returned to the Design Studio, but I want to encourage it. The Black Templars may never get a separate codex again, but that doesn't mean that they can't be revamped using Index Astartes just like the Crimson Fists were last month. It should also be easy enough to tie this sort of thing in to any upgrade sprues and/or transfer sheets that are made available at that time.

 

What I think would also be good, though, is if these articles were made available digitally after a three- or six-month delay, whatever would be sufficient to encourage people to pick up White Dwarf when it's first published (which is, obviously, what GW wants us to do) but also make it possible for people collecting specific armies to get the article eventually, even if they missed the magazine version, without having to buy the whole of Chapter Approved 20xx or an Index Astartes Compilation volume just to get the one article they want.

 

I also want to see these varied. Yes, we should see better coverage of Space Marine chapters like the Crimson Fists article and those that really need it, like the White Scars, and yes, the First Founding chapters that don't get much attention definitely need it, but I also want to see new things introduced, sketchy things fleshed out, and things other than Space Marine chapters or Chaos Space Marine Legions looked at.

 

Give us a "Regimental Records" article for different Astra Militarum regiments, cover CSM warbands that haven't been done to death, create new orders for the Sisters of Battle, reintroduce rules for Traitor Guard, et cetera.

 

If I were making the decisions? Looks like there's going to be six 40K articles each year, alternating months with AoS articles. I'd want two if not three of those to cover either entirely new or barely-documented subjects. You don't have to commit to creating two pages' worth of rules for every Space Marine chapter, as they did for the Crimson Fists, but why not ask your Black Library authors to write an Index Astartes article on their own chapters? Most them seem to have one, like Chris Wraight's Iron Shades or RobMac's Shadow Haunters (and he's already written a fan Index Astartes for them!). Alternatively, reach out to people who wrote for the defunct roleplaying game lines and ask them to revive and revise material from there for the modern game, like the people who wrote about the Calixis Sector for FFG. I'd love an article about the soldiers of the Severan Dominate (and Roman-style Astra Militarum upgrades like in the illustration, please; they can double as Ultramarian PDF!).

 

Alternatively, let someone go nuts on any of the dozens of Space Marine chapters or other groups that are just a picture in How to Paint Space Marines, or not even that, or create something out of whole cloth.

[Ascanius]

Oh, also, maybe Salamander Scout tanks should come back.

[DeadFingers]

Since Renegades and Heretics/Lost and the Damned seem like such a popular pick (in the absence of Emperor's Children and World Eaters as options because we all expect them at some point), I'd like to ask something. Do we know when the survey will take place? Or in other words, will it happen before we know the entirety of the contents of the upcoming Chaos wave? Because while I don't expect a Renegade Guardsmen kit, if it does happen, that'd tell me that they have no intentions of making them into a standalone army, and I wouldn't want to waste my vote on that.

[Slave to Darkness]

Plastic aspect warriors (long overdue), customisable HQs for ALL factions/races (like the old SM commander kit) and plastic MK2.

This 110%

I'd love to see Howling Banshees in flippy charging poses, Striking Scorpions and/or Warp Spiders crouched down, Fire Dragons look badass no matter what. Plastic Avatar with choice of Sword or Spear would be nice too. Considering other factions  have one off minis like the Imperial Space Marine and Noise Marine maybe a cheeky oldschool Guardian release based on the banana helm sculpts, or the classic 'Pointing' Farseer. 

[Captain_Krash]

I'm all in on Kroot Merc Dex...my Kroot merc army needs to come out of storage. It's been far too long.

 

Krash

[Slave to Darkness]

Actually how about reprints of Classic OOP games? Like these self contained classics of yesteryear... 

 

[Captain Idaho]

I'm all in for upgrade sprues for each army. Say a 2 pack per race that can be used to kit bash new units.

[Slave to Darkness]

I'm all in for upgrade sprues for each army. Say a 2 pack per race that can be used to kit bash new units.

Gimme an updated banana helm or two for Eldar Guardians on a sprue and I'd throw so much money at GW to build a force of banana boys. 

[chapter master 454]

Some sprues really are in dire need of updating just purely from a design stand point, by which I mean some sprues have so much wasted space you could quite possibly with their new tech fit most of the older current kits onto one sprue now. So why not take a little time and inbetween releases or as run alongs, update old kits? "here is the new primaris teledeaders. And to make sure these new models aren't left without a challenge, we even updated the kits of these filthy xenos for them to cleanse!"

 

Big one is Eldar. I mean, it would actually be awesome to have a massive "Aspect Warrior Overhaul" where we get not just new kits for the units but also update their phoenix lords...seriously Fuegan has an 80s pose so bad, it is a surprise he has been stuck like that for years and the same going for Asurman. Both have only 2 directions of posing: Ahead and sideways.

 

As for power armour, I think I would prefer going back to supplements but I think we should go IN on that idea. Not just a little but really go hard on the concept. The base codex would have rules for each chapter but only basic level stuff of them. Offer us some ability to create our own chapters again, even if only for open play and just have each of the big 9 have their own codexes and REALLY give them their own identity. A whole cast of special characters and variants units, make it so that each chapter feels like a chapter...not some "option". 

[Magos Takatus]

The Phoenix Lords have some pretty great designs in my opinion, just stiff posing and slightly wonky proportions. If they got new sculpts I'd be very tempted to buy each of them.

[ShibeKing]

I'm all for the Aspect Warrior overhaul and Guard overhaul. However, I know a lot of people will ask for that so I'm going to ask for Plastic Incubi. 

[sarabando]

 

Plastic aspect warriors (long overdue), customisable HQs for ALL factions/races (like the old SM commander kit) and plastic MK2.

This 110%

I'd love to see Howling Banshees in flippy charging poses, Striking Scorpions and/or Warp Spiders crouched down, Fire Dragons look badass no matter what. Plastic Avatar with choice of Sword or Spear would be nice too. Considering other factions  have one off minis like the Imperial Space Marine and Noise Marine maybe a cheeky oldschool Guardian release based on the banana helm sculpts, or the classic 'Pointing' Farseer. 

 

a plastic aspect kit that is Scorps/Banshees  or FireDs/Reapers would be easy as a multi part kit these days. I suppose hawks and spiders would work well together too.