Templars Exolvent

[Templars_exolvent_chapter]

Hi everyone. I have been working on some background for my homebrew chapter. I just want to put a small part out for now as it may not be compatible with current lore.

 

I have taken a large amount of time reading your detailed post's on creating a custom chapter, that being said as you may have already realised is my writing and grammar leave a lot to be desired.

 

Now I am not sure but from what I have researched this may be far out there but not impossible, my chapter being a successor of the black templars. Hear me out as from what I have read doesn't happen.

 

Here is what I have to justify this

 

Chapter - Templars Exolvent

 

Home world......

 

Geneseed - Black Templars

The Templars Exolvent were created during the 23rd founding, there geneseed used from stocks from the Black Templars.

This being very unusual, in fact are the only chapter to do so.

It is believed the Black Templars agreed to this to stop wispers by the high lords of terra that there numbers exceeded codex compliance. The home world for the Templars Exolvent was originally a recruitment world for the Black Templars.

The high Marshal agreed to use this world as the population was of good stock but favoured heavy weapons and produced humans with natural talent for siege craft, this not being a tactic employed by the Black Templars seemed to ease the decision to give up this world to a new chapter in the hopes to ease tension with the high lords.

 

So is this even possible. If not is there any slight changes to make to make it more in line with the lore.

 

As I say I have looked a fair bit and I like the idea that this may be alittle out there. Also I may be completely wrong and the Black Templars have successors.

 

Thank you for taking the time to read this. I have alot more story for these but wanted to test the water first as this is my first ever post and a first for building a custom chapter.

[Chaplian Belphoron]

Thank you for posting and welcome to The Liber, as to your basic lore, it's not all that "out there", we know that successor Chapters are usually successors from individual Legions (the Black Templars being descendants of the Legio VII Imperial Fists) but are frequently trained by later founding Chapters, the Black Templars likely training the Red Templars, and the White Templars. As to gene stocks of individual chapters, Geneseed is from individual Primarchs, so say the Crimson Fists, Imperial Fists, Black Templars, and Marauders Chapters all being Descended from Rogal Dorn will have the Same Geneseed, but this doesn't mean that they will all behave the same.

 

Thank You,

Chaplain Belphoron

 

P.S. please pardon the Wall of text

[Templars_exolvent_chapter]

Thank you for posting and welcome to The Liber, as to your basic lore, it's not all that "out there", we know that successor Chapters are usually successors from individual Legions (the Black Templars being descendants of the Legio VII Imperial Fists) but are frequently trained by later founding Chapters, the Black Templars likely training the Red Templars, and the White Templars. As to gene stocks of individual chapters, Geneseed is from individual Primarchs, so say the Crimson Fists, Imperial Fists, Black Templars, and Marauders Chapters all being Descended from Rogal Dorn will have the Same Geneseed, but this doesn't mean that they will all behave the same.

 

Thank You,

Chaplain Belphoron

 

P.S. please pardon the Wall of text

That's fantastic. Thank you. If I may ask how should I re word this to make more sense?

[Brother Tyler]

The main point of resistance that you're going to meet from a large segment of players will concern the Black Templars being the predecessor for a Chapter - there are many players that are firmly of the opinion that the Black Templars gene-seed has never been used for a Successor Chapter. There is no evidence for this theory, but some players adamantly insist that it is so. If you really want your Chapter to be a Black Templars Successor, stick to your guns and politely ignore any urgings to change them.

 

One very important point - though the lineage of any Chapter can be traced back to one of the Legions, the evidence we have is that each Chapter's gene-seed is segregated; so a Chapter from any founding could be the sire/predecessor of a later founding Chapter. So a Chapter created from the gene-seed of the Black Templars would be both a Black Templars Successor and an Imperial Fists [Legion] Successor. In general use, the "Successor" term is usually only applied to the Legion/Primarch, with the relationship to the Chapter from whose gene-seed the new Chapter was created using the "predecessor" terminology. A poignant example is that of the Tiger Claws, who were created from the gene-seed of the Astral Claws.

 

That said...

 

Geneseed - Black Templars

The Templars Exolvent were created during the 23rd founding, there geneseed used from stocks from the Black Templars.

This being very unusual, in fact are the only chapter to do so.

It is believed the Black Templars agreed to this to stop wispers by the high lords of terra that there numbers exceeded codex compliance.

I don't see how agreeing to the use of the Black Templars gene-seed in a Successor would either be a choice for the High Marshal or how it would in any way affect any suspicions about the overall size of the Black Templars Chapter. Keep in mind that the size of the Chapter has waxed and waned throughout the millennia, ranging from the extremely large size of the Chapter when Sigismund finally faced Abaddon to times when the Black Templars were smaller than the standard Codex Chapter (due to combat losses). The main "evidence" we have of the Chapter's size is flawed in-universe information (flawed because it is not a snapshot in time, but is an aggregation of the Black Templars over time, so some of the crusades/fighting companies are counted more than once because they form X Crusade at one time and Y Crusade at another). There might be some political machinations behind the Black Templars being chosen to sire a Chapter during the 23rd (Sentinel) Founding, but I doubt it would be a compromise of the sort you describe. One rationale I've seen used in the past [for a DIY Black Templars Successor] was as a reward for services rendered to the Imperium. The Badab War books from Forge World provide this as a reason for at least one of the Chapters in those books. Personally, I would leave any possibility of political machinations as innuendo, focusing instead on the purity of the Black Templars gene-seed (failed/missing organs notwithstanding), service of the Black Templars to the Imperium, etc. Look for hyperbole as a rationale (e.g., the known zeal of the Black Templars).

 

The home world for the Templars Exolvent was originally a recruitment world for the Black Templars.

The high Marshal agreed to use this world as the population was of good stock but favoured heavy weapons and produced humans with natural talent for siege craft, this not being a tactic employed by the Black Templars seemed to ease the decision to give up this world to a new chapter in the hopes to ease tension with the high lords.

I would avoid trying to explain this in too much detail. It's as if you're trying to say that the natural predilections of the recruiting world drive the favored tactics of the Chapter. That just seems too formulaic. It should be as easy as saying that the Black Templars ceded a former recruiting world to the nascent Chapter. If the new Chapter developed a specialization for a certain type of warfare or certain equipment, that should come about as a result of their combat experiences.

 

Something else this leads to, though, is whether or not the Black Templars trained the new Chapter. If they did, then the [initial] organization of the Chapter would be similar to the Black Templars. This might change over time, with the Chapter later assuming a Codex Astartes organization (and coming up with a reason for that would be interesting). Alternately, if some Chapter other than the Black Templars trained the new Chapter and based the new Chapter's organization on the Codex Astartes, then coming up with who that Chapter was and why they were chosen will prove interesting (as well as why the Black Templars willingly (?) gave up a recruiting world, but didn't deign to train the new Chapter).

 

Ultimately, why is the descendance from the Black Templars important? From the looks of it, you're creating a quintessential Imperial Fists Legion Successor, one that follows in the footsteps of the Imperial Fists Chapter. So why the monkey wrench of making them a Black Templars Successor?

[Templars_exolvent_chapter]

Thank you Brother Tyler. That's incredibly helpful. It's quite a difficult thing to do with so much lore already out there. Coming up with something original is quite difficult. Lots to change about on my part but at least I know where I need to start.

[Brother Lunkhead]

Welcome to The Liber brother. I think you are off to a good start with a good idea..... Black Templar successor chapter, sounds good to me  I see no heresy there.

 

Brother Tyler makes a good point about your recruiting world culture and tactical specialization being tied together. Military policies, strategies, and tactics should evolve from the chapter's combat experience and observations. However, that doesn't mean that your chapter would not adopt cultural traits, philosophies, practices, etc. that they find admirable. The White Scars is a perfect example of a Space Marine chapter with strong cultural ties to it's homeworld.

 

Your organizational structure will not necessarily be dictated by those who train your chapter. It does not necessarily follow that the Black Templar training cadre (assuming of coarse that they are the ones to train your chapter) would press their own model on your chapter. If that's what you want, then by all means your should do it. I would suggest that you consider culture, history, size, resources, mission, and tactics as key points in developing your structure. Of coarse it MUST be codex compliant as my beloved Primarch dictates

 

With luck you should get some thoughtful feedback, but many will have a clear view of what your chapter should or should not look like so take all comments with a grain of salt. This is your chapter, and you should build it as you see fit. Have fun and good luck.

 

Courage and Honour,

Brother Lunkhead

[Templars_exolvent_chapter]

Welcome to The Liber brother. I think you are of to a good start with a good idea..... Black Templar successor chapter, sounds good to me:tu:  I see no heresy there.

 

Brother Tyler makes a good point about your recruiting world culture and tactical specialization being tied together. Military policies, strategies, and tactics should evolve from the chapters combat experience and observations. However, that doesn't mean that your chapter would not adopt cultural traits, philosophies, practices, etc. that they find admirable. The White Scars is a perfect example of a Space Marine chapter with strong cultural ties to it's homeworld.

 

Your organizational structure will not necessarily be dictated by those who train your chapter. It does not necessarily follow that the Black Templar training cadre (assuming of coarse that they are the ones to train your chapter) would press their own model on your chapter. If that's what you want, then by all means your should do it. I would suggest that you consider culture, history, size, resources, mission, and tactics as key points in developing your structure. Of coarse it MUST be codex compliant as my beloved Primarch dictates;) 

 

With luck you should get some thoughtful feedback, but many will have a clear view of what your chapter should or should not look like so take all comments with a grain of salt. This is your chapter, and you should build it as you see fit. Have fun and good luck.

 

Courage and Honour,

Brother Lunkhead

Thanks Brother, these replys so far have been incredibly helpful. I can see you.guys have alot of passion. Hope I can bring that to.this chapter

[Templars_exolvent_chapter]

Hi guys just to give you an idea iv finished up my test model

[Sete]

I will watch your career with great interest.

They could always idealize Sigismund as the epitome of the Adeptus Astartes and follow in his tactics and combat disposition, thus explaining their close combat predilection

 

Also after cawl pulled thousands of super space marines from a fridge, you are alright to do whatever.

[Brother Lunkhead]

Fine work on your test model The purple and gray contrast nicely and the scheme is simple but eye catching...… Well done brother.

[Templars_exolvent_chapter]

Thanks Brother!