Wolf Lord Loki Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 So from the leaked datasheets on BOLS do you think we in the most blessed of nurgles Astartes will share the love? If those datasheets are real they have the <LEGION> key word which suggests we might get them unless it's FAQ-ED against us. This we might be able to add (greater) obliterators, greater possessed and the like. Assuming we can (until we are told we can't) use them any potential uses start springing to mind? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Greater Possessed + Poxbringer near some ‘spitter Drones for all of the high strength murder snot. Could also do the same with Morty, even if it is hilariously unnecessary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5269034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CastellanDeMolay Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Greater Possessed: Interestingly their buff will apply to [themselves,] Possessed and Daemon Engines, like Foetid Blat Drones, Myphitic Blight Haulers, Plagueburst Crawlers, Defilers and also Daemon Princes and Mortarion, but not any actual Daemon units like Plaguebearers or Nurglings. In terms of stats they're basically a 5 man Possessed unit condensed into 2 models, which buff their own and some other units' strength by 1, and do D3 damage per hit rather than 1. Not many other units synergise in terms of movement speed except other Possessed. They seem like they could make a reasonably good support unit for a footslogging Daemon Prince, being only 1" slower, but does anyone actually run any of those? The main problem I see here is that they're limited to 2 per unit, unlike Possessed, who can take up to 20 per unit. If you were otherwise going to be running 2 20-man units of Possessed anyway, then I'd say they're an auto-include for the synergy and the buff they hand out, especially as they can split up just like loyalist Lieutenants. They seem like the kind of thing you would really want in an assault focus list as part of a first or second wave, but I would struggle to justify these in an all-comers list, especially with the lack of DR. At a stretch, they could tag along with some Plague Spitter equipped PBCs to help them to keep kicking in spite of the stat decay as they take damage. Obliterators: They gained 1 wound and 2 shots, but otherwise we're looking at exactly the same rules they've had the rest of this edition. It would be nice to be able to take some of these for Deathguard, as their Fleshmetal Guns are potentially very powerful, and put out a lot of shots. We didn't get them in the codex, so I wonder if they'll be available to us, but assuming they are they make Nurglings an even better investment, since the little guys can carve out an area of the table during deployment to make sure your opponent can't easily block their arrival via Teleport Strike. They're a solid mid-field/area-denial unit, and they're in a slot which isn't competed for as strongly as Elites or Fast Attack. (I know I'll get the PBC spammers on my case for this , but c'mon guys, surely 2 is enough?) EDIT: Nothing major, but I noticed that both models are Infantry and do not have any keywords that would exclude them from riding in a Rhino or Chaos Land Raider. Not a big deal for Obliterators, but if you needed a delivery system for some Possessed and their buff-buddies, the Greater Possessed should only take up 1 slot in a Transport. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5269063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Obliterators: They gained 1 wound and 2 shots, but otherwise we're looking at exactly the same rules they've had the rest of this edition. It would be nice to be able to take some of these for Deathguard, as their Fleshmetal Guns are potentially very powerful, and put out a lot of shots. We didn't get them in the codex, so I wonder if they'll be available to us, but assuming they are they make Nurglings an even better investment, since the little guys can carve out an area of the table during deployment to make sure your opponent can't easily block their arrival via Teleport Strike. Don't forget the additional toughness and better melee attacks lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5269382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresyBeliever Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Unfortunately I do not see death guard having access to these units directly. Which isn't a major issue with the detachment system. A CSM detachment helps give us access to other stratagems / spells etc. You could always run a nurgle detachment otherwise. The greater possessed seem like the best unit in the box for around 70-80 point buff. Yes the oblitorators have got better but there points will determine if they are usable in big packs or not. but as you can use them in units of 1 that's nice to fill slots I'm tempted to run a small possessed unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5269632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 How's that an issue with the detachment system? If GW wants to give DG access to it they can easily do that. They probably don't want to though. DG is a different Codex now, not just a CSM subfaction with additional units. EDIT: nevermind I failed at reading. Read "is" instead of "isn't" :facepalm: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5269646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Detachment system would make it a major issue, no DG buff from the Greater Possessed and (presumably) Malefic powers. My perspective at least, but if the buffs don’t have a way of affecting us I’m far less interested. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5269668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresyBeliever Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 Detachment system would make it a major issue, no DG buff from the Greater Possessed and (presumably) Malefic powers. My perspective at least, but if the buffs don’t have a way of affecting us I’m far less interested. The Data sheet says <Chaos Mark> <legion> so either or so if it had a mark of nurgle you would be fine and it would buff other nurgle units Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5269743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 You’d need both, it doesn’t say “and/or”. Otherwise you’d have S5 Marines from just being the same Legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5269873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeresyBeliever Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 You’d need both, it doesn’t say “and/or”. Otherwise you’d have S5 Marines from just being the same Legion. Maybe, seems logical. Daemon princes have the 'and' in between their wording. FAQ needed to stop anybody trying to abuse it Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5269898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 5, 2019 Share Posted March 5, 2019 I don't think a FAQ is needed for that. I'd question everyones ability to understand basic language who tries to argue that it means either or (no offense, I don't know whether you're a native speaker or not). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5269906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 So more to add to the melting pot. Its a bit blurry but looks good-ish http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2019/03/40k-breaking-csm-malefic-psychic-discipline-rules-spotted.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5272030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombs Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I'm 90% sure we wont get to use those units, unless in a separate detachment of another legion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5272079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Dicko Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I wouldn’t be shocked if we got greater possessed. But there should still be some synergy with a separate detatchment, especially if you’re already using one for daemon units we don’t get anymore like Maulerfiends and Warp Talons(I know they’re crap but I’m lovingly converting them). If they have the daemon keyword and can be given Nurgle we can put them in a detatchment with daemons right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5272162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 GW confirmed in a FB comment today we get nothing from Shadowspear. *incoherent swearing* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5272491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 GW confirmed in a FB comment today we get nothing from Shadowspear. *incoherent swearing* Could you link please? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5272546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemetriiTZ Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Alpha Legion Greater Obliterators under a Tree sounds nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5272607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 We can use them they just can’t have the Death Guard Keyword. I mean it was pretty obvious we wouldn’t get anything ever since DG got separated from CSM. Just wish they would buff our possessed by giving them DR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5272773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemetriiTZ Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 And our Chaos Lords. And our Helbrutes.Anything "Death Guard" should simply gain DR. Everyone knows it, except apparently the people writing the rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5272802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedJester1013 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I have been trying to wrap my head around the chaos lord of the deathguard not having the traits of said deathguard force! Who even put him in charge! When even the basic troops and snot balls of the nurglings have this rule how can the LORD of the deathguard not! I sense some tzeentch shenanigans Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5272857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
McElMcNinja Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I think the conversation went something like this... Designer A: shouldn't all Death Guard units have DR? Designer B: why, not every Eldar unit is a psycher? Designer C: why, not every Imperium army brings multiple knights? Designer A: good point, we almost made them halfway competitive. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5272881 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Probably more along the lines of "we want them to buy the new models where possible and not use their old ones in this army". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5272905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedJester1013 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I feel like they could have made them worth buying and just given the reroll to the lord of contagion, Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5273040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Drake Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 GW confirmed in a FB comment today we get nothing from Shadowspear. *incoherent swearing* So basically this release, aside from lovely models, is another huge depressing sigh for Chaos? I'm not being negative, or salty, or whatever. I look at the Shadowspear rules and points costs and now the fact that they have no place in my DG army and I just think, 'why GW, why do you hate Chaos so much!?' Lol anyway, saves me a ton of money I supopse! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5273045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 GW confirmed in a FB comment today we get nothing from Shadowspear. *incoherent swearing* So basically this release, aside from lovely models, is another huge depressing sigh for Chaos? I'm not being negative, or salty, or whatever. I look at the Shadowspear rules and points costs and now the fact that they have no place in my DG army and I just think, 'why GW, why do you hate Chaos so much!?' Lol anyway, saves me a ton of money I supopse! Uhm no definitely not. It's a great release for Chaos. Just less so for DG and TSons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354299-shadowspear-new-units/#findComment-5273138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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