CCE1981 Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 I am expecting that sometime this year will should see more Primarchs emerge. I am curious what others think on this topic? Will it be the obvious or will there be subverted expectations? I have been reading a lot of 40k wikias lately, and the Alpha Legion with their twin Primarchs kinda intrigues me. What if Alpharion, assuming he is alive, decides the Imperium is beyond saving? And Omegon is uterly disgusted by the warp? We get our two Primarchs that “changed sides”, no real differentiation in the current state of affairs, I can’t see anyone being too peeved about their faction switching sides. There will be a few that will be upset if that is the case I am sure. Well there it is, what is everyones thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamiel Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 From my understanding, Chaos in 40k is not something you can turn away from or recover from. It's not like the Dark Side of the the force. Once Chaos has you, you're not getting out. So if a Chaos Primarch decided to turn around, and actually succeeded, it would be very unfitting of the lore. I think the closest example we have of this is Curze, but from my understanding, even he realized that there was no turning back from Chaos and chose suicide instead.Loyal Primarchs turning heretical is more possible, but you gotta realize that at this point in the lore, the remaining loyal Primarchs are probably taking precautions to make sure they don't give into chaos. The Primarchs who became heretics in 30k, to some extent, had their guard down against Chaos. The entire Imperium had their guard down against chaos. But now it's not like that anymore. Everyone is fully aware of what Chaos is, and even the slightest hint of it is dealt with severely by the Imperium before it can grow. So it's a lot less likely for some sort of saboteur to worm heretical notions into a loyal Primarch's ear during the 41st millenium. And finally, it wouldn't make sense from a business perspective for GW. A lot of the fans of these Primarchs see them as they currently are. For example, a lot of Imperial Fist players see Dorn as a loyal Primarch. If Dorn came back as a heretic, it would piss off a lot of Imperial Fist fans, to the point where they might not even buy his 40k model. But if Dorn comes back as a loyal Primarch, I think it'd be a much safer business decision for GW. I've used Dorn as an example, but you can apply this logic to pretty much all Primarch, be they loyal or heretic. People might be less interested to buy new models of their primarch if their primarch is no longer who they thought they were. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 No Primarchs will switch sides. The Daemon Primarchs are irredeemable, they wouldn't dare make a Loyalist switch, and at best Omegon (Alpharius is dead) - assuming he's alive - might be ambiguous/ambivalent but would not turn loyal. In a scenario with an AL "Primarch" returned I'd expect a Cypher like figure who is a part of the CSM faction but largely does strange things that nobody fully understands the reasoning behind. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 None of any established chapters/legions will switch sides simply for marketing reasons. It would upset fans of said chapter/legion too much. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknife Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 They did say something about primarchs switching sides in the beginning of 8th think it was in the same stream where they said that primaris could be upgraded which everyone thought was a mistake as it wasn't backed up in the lore anywhere...We now know how that turned out. I would never say never. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 They said something along the lines of not everyone might return on the side we are expecting. They didn't specifically say Primarchs or whatever though. Although the most likely thing I could imagine would be the Fulgrim clone getting released by Trazyn and take command of the Sons of the Phoenix loyalist chapter ... however that would mean GW would give Fulgrim/EC fans twice as much attention as others which seems unlikely as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Fulgrim. There's a perfect loyal clone that has all the memories of the original but none of the Chaos taint. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingDeth Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 More specifically they said that not everyone will return to the faction we expect, IIRC, rather than anything about anyone specifically switching sides. I took that to mean probably Dorn leading the BT instead if IF or Corax taking control of the assassinorium or whatever. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 The blurb meant someone like Dorn or Russ coming back and leading an alternative to Guilliman's Imperium Sanctus, more than likely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Or Ferrus leading the Legion of the Damned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknife Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Oh that sounds more likely Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maritn Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 The blurb meant someone like Dorn or Russ coming back and leading an alternative to Guilliman's Imperium Sanctus, more than likely. Whaaaat? I have started to paint my Primaris yellow, rivalling empires would really be a shame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewarriorhunter Posted March 8, 2019 Share Posted March 8, 2019 Or Ferrus leading the Legion of the Damned. I don't see that realistically happening but that would be very cool. That's heavy metal right there. And it's be great to give IH players a little love since they don't get too much attention. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 So is this really purely speculative really ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 So is this really purely speculative really ? Yes it’s speculative. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Shift Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Is Ferrus came back it should be something like the mortis engine for fantasy, a sea of spectral figures with ghostly Ferrus at its head - kind of like an AoS endless spell - possibly for the grey knights. I think they meant less switching sides and more being part of a new faction. I fancy a hyper religious Black Templar, Sisters of Battle and Rogal Dorn faction myself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Black Templar Dorn. I would weep tears of joy. But for example I see Angron leading daemons of khorne instead of World eaters since they are mostly disbanded. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 But for example I see Angron leading daemons of khorne instead of World eaters since they are mostly disbanded. I think GW missed that opportunity by bringing back two Daemon Primarchs leading their Legions already. Now people expect Angron to come back with proper World Eaters and doing otherwise would just create a huge :cuss storm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5272999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Oh don't get me wrong, berserker sculpts need an update, but they won't make a functional army. I expect to see it released with Angron but not codex world eaters. Maybe some sort of khorne daemon kin. But hey I'm just speculating I could be wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5273000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I don't think anybody would've said that Plague Marines or Rubric Marines on their own were going to make a functional army. GW would obviously add new units to Berzerker to create a World Eater Codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5273001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 True, but I'm just going with the topic of the thread. It would be unfair for them to be the only ones without a dedicated codex. Is it bad to want them at Armaggedon? Would love a box set BT Vs WE. Khârn vs Emperor Champion. GW should hire me. But back on topic, there aren't too many primarchs that we can see leading a different faction. Ferrus Manus and LoTD (would they be Primaris LoTD now?) Dorn leading BT? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5273006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Jober Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Why so many people are saying Dorn leading Templars instead of Imperial Fists? Or even activating the Last Wall Protocol? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5273174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I guess its something people want to see. a Madlad Dorn. Nothing of the stoic stony Dorn, just the ragey crusading one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5273183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 at most i see a few going independent, not full on traitor or loyal. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5273215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Strike Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I think Atia was the one who said that about a Primarch returning and not leading their original faction, correct? So I believe it, but I can see it as like you guys said, Dorn leading BT, or Russ leading exclusively the 13th. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354384-which-primarchs-will-switch-sides/#findComment-5273315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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