Fedor Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 I wouldn't mind seeing Taranis ascend to daemon princehood. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Lot of Heresy in this thread. All I want is Khârn to take the wall breach first, and die getting dragged down by a mob after slaying hundreds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 When Khârn finally falls (if anyone other than Sigismund does it I'm going to be massively let down) I want him to go through a similar experience to Herrtak in Titandeath and have that moment of the rage fading and being completely at peace only to have it snatched away with the realisation that he'll do this forever.Would like to see Lucius vs Sigismund. Sometimes, the best tactic is to retreat (Even Black Templars know when to give up) Sigismund is an Imperial Fist. Imperial Fists do not retreat.Funny considering the Black Templars are neither attritionist nor siege specialist Black Templars bailed out of the Achilus Crusade when they stopped gaining ground In one battle against World Eaters and Cultists, they repeatedly fall back. WE start killing each other then the BT attack Instead of staying in Armageddon, the BT left to chase Ghazhgakull! Lot of Heresy in this thread. All I want is Khârn to take the wall breach first, and die getting dragged down by a mob after slaying hundreds. You mean a Million. Khârn killed a Million defenders during the Siege. Wouldn't surprise me if the novels jump it to a Billion The best way to depict Khârn's rampage is to have him start out killing puny Guardsmen, then go to Solar Auxilia, go to Skitarii/Techpriest and up and up AND UP until he 'dies' at the Wall! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 A million is a stupid number. How long is the actual fighting portion of the siege? At a kill EVERY SECOND that's eleven 24 hour days. Ignore the fact that his enemies would literally bury him in bodies while lining up assembly line style to get decapitated... Bad fluff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfburk Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Yeah i woudnt get hung on the numbers. Besides, what does Khârn killing a million guardsmen really mean? Its best if he has an impact against astartes, even if that number is low, like in the hundreds. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 A million is a stupid number. How long is the actual fighting portion of the siege? At a kill EVERY SECOND that's eleven 24 hour days. Ignore the fact that his enemies would literally bury him in bodies while lining up assembly line style to get decapitated... Bad fluff. The Siege (when Horus began bombarding Terra after taking out Luna) lasted more than 50 days in Collected Visions and other older sources Yeah i woudnt get hung on the numbers. Besides, what does Khârn killing a million guardsmen really mean? Its best if he has an impact against astartes, even if that number is low, like in the hundreds. START with Guardsmen then MOVE UP to bigger fish, like a video game! (Imperial Fists, Blood Angels and Custodes were guarding the walls of the Imperial Palace. Khârn must have encountered them) Simo Hayha killed 1/100th of the Soviets that Finland killed in the Winter War Khârn kills at least 6k people every day in the 41st Millenium Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 The best way to depict Khârn's rampage is to have him start out killing puny Guardsmen, then go to Solar Auxilia, go to Skitarii/Techpriest and up and up AND UP until he 'dies' at the Wall! THEN he jumps off the page and kills the reader! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Funny considering the Black Templars are neither attritionist nor siege specialist Black Templars bailed out of the Achilus Crusade when they stopped gaining ground In one battle against World Eaters and Cultists, they repeatedly fall back. WE start killing each other then the BT attack Instead of staying in Armageddon, the BT left to chase Ghazhgakull! Last time I checked, Sigismund was still an Imperial Fist during the siege and still followed regular Imperial Fists combat training. What's all this nonsense about Black Templars? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfburk Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Well the imperial fists, in 30k at least, arent at all against tactical withdraws, or, retreats. See: evacuation of mars. Battle of Phall, even the battle on Sotha (with alexis polux covering the retreat, IIRC). They just dont get into a rout (because thats tactically unsound, unlike a tactical withdraw to a better position or to delay, and etc). But there is no reason for Sigismund to retreat to anyone in a 1x1, as said in Gav thorpe's solar war novel excerpt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 A million is a stupid number. How long is the actual fighting portion of the siege? At a kill EVERY SECOND that's eleven 24 hour days. Ignore the fact that his enemies would literally bury him in bodies while lining up assembly line style to get decapitated... Bad fluff. The Siege (when Horus began bombarding Terra after taking out Luna) lasted more than 50 days in Collected Visions and other older sources .... Khârn kills at least 6k people every day in the 41st Millenium 50 Days. You are looking at 20,000 people a day. 833 an Hour. It is LITERALLY an idiotic number. Khârn does not kill 6000 people a day. I mean I know of your reputation around here but what would even make you think to spout such a number? This is the end of the series. This is the bar that must be set higher than any set of books Black Library has printed. I'm not here to read a 'video game'. I'm here to read Khârn beg the Iron Warriors to leave (Slaves to Darkness), on the verge of breaking down into tears. I'm here to witness what it takes for a post-Human to crack. To finally break under the weight of madness of their own choosing. I'm here to see the shattered remnants of a once great Empire struggle on not realizing it is dead and the characters in these stories come to grips with that, or deny it, to the bitter end when Chaos ultimately does consume them. I'm not here for a joke and some idiotic numbers meant to impress a 6th grader... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 it seems to come from a Khârn quote from the weakness of others "I was the first to stand upon the walls of the Imperial Palace. I was the last to be borne away from Terra, my body broken from the slaying of one million of the emperor's lackeys through the breach at lions gate. None shall ever surpass my count. The contest is over. I won" i mean, unless he stopped to scribble a tally into his blood soaked moleskine notebook at the siege, i think it's safe to say ol' Khârn was plucking that number out of his ...waste recycler 4chan ran with it as fact though. because, of course they did personally, i like the ridiculous numbers when there's a thematic reason for it (the grimdark of bureaucratic waste for instance) but less so when it comes down to one angry dude with a chainsword not taking any naps Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 it seems to come from a Khârn quote from the weakness of others "I was the first to stand upon the walls of the Imperial Palace. I was the last to be borne away from Terra, my body broken from the slaying of one million of the emperor's lackeys through the breach at lions gate. None shall ever surpass my count. The contest is over. I won" i mean, unless he stopped to scribble a tally into his blood soaked moleskine notebook at the siege, i think it's safe to say ol' Khârn was plucking that number out of his ...waste recycler 4chan ran with it as fact though. because, of course they did personally, i like the ridiculous numbers when there's a thematic reason for it (the grimdark of bureaucratic waste for instance) but less so when it comes down to one angry dude with a chainsword not taking any naps Grimdark to me. Khârn slaughter of a million people brings a whole new level of desensititing to violence and a sense of inhumanity not yet seen by the Imperium The Imperium experienced one-sided victory after victory during the Great Crusade, not relying on numbers to wear down their enemies The Horus Heresy marks the transition from D-day and Patton Bliztkriegs into 'throwing as many expendable Guardsmen and Marines' at the problem. Think of the Barbarians at the Gate, the Endless Horde, the Mongol atrocities which killed Millions. Corpses forming walls and Pyramids of Skulls Khârn epitomizes the fear that Vlad, Attila and Genghis Khan inflicted on civilization that we still remember today. We NEED Khârn to distinguish him from all the other Chaos Champions, especiallt those of Khorne! We NEED TO FEEL that Khârn and the others inflicted permanent Scars on Terra that are there even in the present day! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 i mean, unless he stopped to scribble a tally into his blood soaked moleskine notebook at the siege, i think it's safe to say ol' Khârn was plucking that number out of his ...waste recycler Not to endorse Moonreaper in any way shape or form, but it has been noted in a few other publications that Khârn has a kill-counter in his helmet. The wonders of technology! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH79 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 The best way to depict Khârn's rampage is to have him start out killing puny Guardsmen, then go to Solar Auxilia, go to Skitarii/Techpriest and up and up AND UP until he 'dies' at the Wall! THEN he jumps off the page and kills the reader! Warning, reader discretion is advised... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I don’t know why you guys are engaging with counterfactual lore. Not one thing moonreaper has ever said has a basis in the real lore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 i mean, unless he stopped to scribble a tally into his blood soaked moleskine notebook at the siege, i think it's safe to say ol' Khârn was plucking that number out of his ...waste recycler Not to endorse Moonreaper in any way shape or form, but it has been noted in a few other publications that Khârn has a kill-counter in his helmet. The wonders of technology! haha now i just have this image of Khârn not being able to see out of his own visor due to all the zeros on screen once he hits a mill Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShallnotGrowOld Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Solar War is definitely an exciting read, I went through it at work. Makes me want to read Horus Rising, to be honest especially the last half of the book, gut wrenching stuff to see ~11 years of writing to end in such a bloody way - though you kind of have to expect it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5285987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpharius902 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 A million is a stupid number. How long is the actual fighting portion of the siege? At a kill EVERY SECOND that's eleven 24 hour days. Ignore the fact that his enemies would literally bury him in bodies while lining up assembly line style to get decapitated... Bad fluff. The Siege (when Horus began bombarding Terra after taking out Luna) lasted more than 50 days in Collected Visions and other older sources .... Khârn kills at least 6k people every day in the 41st Millenium 50 Days. You are looking at 20,000 people a day. 833 an Hour. It is LITERALLY an idiotic number. Khârn does not kill 6000 people a day. I mean I know of your reputation around here but what would even make you think to spout such a number? This is the end of the series. This is the bar that must be set higher than any set of books Black Library has printed. I'm not here to read a 'video game'. I'm here to read Khârn beg the Iron Warriors to leave (Slaves to Darkness), on the verge of breaking down into tears. I'm here to witness what it takes for a post-Human to crack. To finally break under the weight of madness of their own choosing. I'm here to see the shattered remnants of a once great Empire struggle on not realizing it is dead and the characters in these stories come to grips with that, or deny it, to the bitter end when Chaos ultimately does consume them. I'm not here for a joke and some idiotic numbers meant to impress a 6th grader... I was under the impression that the million kills started once he installed the kill-counter in his helm, at the earliest 6 years before the Siege. With the amount of slaughtering the World Eaters did to appease Angron, plus the fact that in the first battle he wore it, Khârn already had thirty kills in the first few moments, it’s completely plausible he racked up that many kills in the span of time he had it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5286001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 If that www the case, it certainly becomes more palatable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5286233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manchu warlord Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I want... at the end, the Emperor to reveal his true identity. It turns out he is Morgan Freeman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5287036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I want... at the end, the Emperor to reveal his true identity. It turns out he is Morgan Freeman.Please Keanu Reeves ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5287076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knockagh Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 This is a brilliant thread Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5287220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manchu warlord Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I want... at the end, the Emperor to reveal his true identity. It turns out he is Morgan Freeman.Please Keanu Reeves Whatever your heart's desire... my son. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5287244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 I want Daemons to play a huge role in attacking Terra. The Daemons should be keeping the Loyalist Guardsmen, Skitarii and Knights occupied and whitlling them down through attrition I wonder if Aeonid Theil's knowledge (melee and flame attacks deal extra damage to Daemons) would play a role during the Siege. Custodes should be using more Flame weapons One way to explain why Custodes took more casualties in the Webway Breach than at the Siege is they DID NOT focus on flame and close combat in the former Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5287572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 They used a huge amount of close combat...they were just overwhelmed by the sheer number of daemons, csm and titans Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354743-siege-of-terra-rampant-speculation-and-wishlisting-thread/page/3/#findComment-5287592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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