Pearson73 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Alright folks, so obviously the new daemons are a very different, very flexible force that present a lot of noew options and opportunities, both in terms of modelling and list building. I was wondering if we need a thread of its own to discuss potential models to use, as well as ways to represent the myriad upgrades available, as there have already been some interesting discussions popping up on the general Malevolence thread. As more folk get their copies of the book, we'll get a better understanding of what unit types and upgrades are available. To kick it off with, I'd like to point to some of the new AoS previews: The latter brings to mind the board that FW made for Signus Prime, describing how the daemons were pouring forth from rents in the earth itself. Of course we already have the current daemon ranges and after seeing how they handled the poor fellow on Sanguinius' base, I'm hoping we'll see some stuff from FW. However I feel that other ranges and indeed other manufacturers have some cracking alternatives, particularly models that have no clear allegiance to one of the classic gods. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I've seen suggestions for Nighthaunt that could work well, if you want to go full on Freudian nightmare, Kingdom Death has some really terrifying monsters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5286005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearson73 Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 Aye, Kingdom Death have some nice sculpts, Creature Caster is another company that come to mind for greater daemons (or equivalent). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5286036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionofjudah Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 I've seen suggestions for Nighthaunt that could work well, if you want to go full on Freudian nightmare, Kingdom Death has some really terrifying monsters.A whole kingdom death army on the table would have some parents blocking their kids away from 40k forever Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5286141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019  I've seen suggestions for Nighthaunt that could work well, if you want to go full on Freudian nightmare, Kingdom Death has some really terrifying monsters.A whole kingdom death army on the table would have some parents blocking their kids away from 40k forever  Hell yeah! I've got 4 of the PVC Wetnurse models from their first experiment of Death, the temptation to weird people out is pretty high. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5286418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 A few models from the LotR/Hobbit line could be useable, such as the Balrog or Dweller in the Dark. Plenty of Lovecraftian Kickstarter games with models as well, though those may be a bit oit of scale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5286443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Kingdom Death is too overtly sexual for 30k chaos. It’s as out of place as Bikini commissars and nude techno girl assassins models from the 3rd party companies. The Daughters of Khaine range pushes the limits of what would be the reality of Slaanesh daemons on the ground. The lore makes them out to be pretty grotesque, it’s only the weak willed or hypnotized that see them as beautiful. Since the list came out I’ve been going back and forth on this a lot. Daemons have a warp form that we would recognize as their models, you can see this when it talks about the daemons in their natural habitats in the warp. They also have corporeal forms that could really be anything and seem to be shaped by the culture of whatever is witnessing them. Hence the aesthetic disparity in the Heresy novels. As in, on one world a greater unclean one might be a monsterous skeletal reaper more like the Nagash model, on another it could be a stone golem, and in the warp/EoT it’s the rancid, bloated creature the model looks like.  The lore I’m working with is a Daemon Lord that is more like the witch king than a bloodthirster or keeper of secrets. When he is summoned into reality he looks like a robed armored creature. However, I’m not sure how that meshes with the actual lore of the universe and it’s causing me some serious distress. I think this list is meant to let our freak flags fly, but even so, how far is too far? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5286527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Kingdom Death is too overtly sexual for 30k chaos. It’s as out of place as Bikini commissars and nude techno girl assassins models from the 3rd party companies. The Daughters of Khaine range pushes the limits of what would be the reality of Slaanesh daemons on the ground. The lore makes them out to be pretty grotesque, it’s only the weak willed or hypnotized that see them as beautiful. Since the list came out I’ve been going back and forth on this a lot. Daemons have a warp form that we would recognize as their models, you can see this when it talks about the daemons in their natural habitats in the warp. They also have corporeal forms that could really be anything and seem to be shaped by the culture of whatever is witnessing them. Hence the aesthetic disparity in the Heresy novels. As in, on one world a greater unclean one might be a monsterous skeletal reaper more like the Nagash model, on another it could be a stone golem, and in the warp/EoT it’s the rancid, bloated creature the model looks like.  The lore I’m working with is a Daemon Lord that is more like the witch king than a bloodthirster or keeper of secrets. When he is summoned into reality he looks like a robed armored creature. However, I’m not sure how that meshes with the actual lore of the universe and it’s causing me some serious distress. I think this list is meant to let our freak flags fly, but even so, how far is too far?  Your Daemon Lord idea kinda reminds me of the Ragged Knight from Talon of Horus, so if that's any indication, it could work pretty well Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5286545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I really wanted to use the old FW chaos emperor dragon as my archdaemon I think it would fit perfect. Â Otherwise yeah lotr ranger has great stuff but the scale isnt 25mm so pick models wisely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5286555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenbain Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 The lore I’m working with is a Daemon Lord that is more like the witch king than a bloodthirster or keeper of secrets. When he is summoned into reality he looks like a robed armored creature. However, I’m not sure how that meshes with the actual lore of the universe and it’s causing me some serious distress. I think this list is meant to let our freak flags fly, but even so, how far is too far? Obviously depends how you do it, but that definitely sounds workable to me (and I reckon I might end up on the 'harder to convince' end of the spectrum). It could be that the daemon can sense the fear of the unknown amongst its mortal prey and has chosen this hidden and mysterious form as a way to enhance that fear. I think there are various different ways you could justify it that still mesh well with the fluff as we know it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5286579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialIssue Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 I was thinking something similar, the daemon taking the form of something like a ringwraith. However, it would be the manifestation of vengeance and cold hatred, little-touched on aspects of Khorne's personality. Every pointless, honour-driven murder in history, every silent swearing of calculated vengeance. He wields the executioner's sword of spite and 'honour', and the headman's axe of payback and 'justice'. He may even have scales or take on the form of a blind judge to signify this. Â Look back to the older fluff (e.g. Realm of Chaos), and you will find the rationale for the Chaos gods cover nearly the entire gambit of human emotions, not just the one-dimensional boxes they are usually put in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5286601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 How about AoS spirit wraith things? Â All the shackles and stuff could represent caged emotion, hidden darkness of the BA manifested in the Signus daemons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5287740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Heres what I'm thinking so far for the list I've written up  Archaons dragon for lord of ruinstorm  Carmine dragon / warpfire for greater daemons  Brutes undecided  Beasts undecided  The lotr mini balrog for shrike (really small base size compared to greater daemons) (will try to scale it up and a lizard men head swap)  Magmadroths for behemoths  Oop chaos emperor dragon for archdaemon Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5287859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DietOfLiquor Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Heres what I'm thinking so far for the list I've written up  Archaons dragon for lord of ruinstorm  Carmine dragon / warpfire for greater daemons  Brutes undecided  Beasts undecided  The lotr mini balrog for shrike (really small base size compared to greater daemons) (will try to scale it up and a lizard men head swap)  Magmadroths for behemoths  Oop chaos emperor dragon for archdaemon  The brutes are definitely an odd position. I'm still trying to fit them for a model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5287940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 What size are brutes? Like dreadnought size or more 40mm base? Could use Vargheists or something from the vampire counts range? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5288111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rabidbunneh Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 What size are brutes? Like dreadnought size or more 40mm base? Could use Vargheists or something from the vampire counts range? They are similar to Vorax statswise, same S, T, W and armour save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5288135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ficinus Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 If you want to do dragony daemons, there are some stormcasts riding little, like, mini dragons called celestial dracolines that might work as beasts if you can get the saddles and gear off of them. Or use salamanders/razordons. Â That said, do the aesthetics of the Balrog and dragons you mention have a similar aesthetic? Like, will they look like a coherent army? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5288151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 If you want to do dragony daemons, there are some stormcasts riding little, like, mini dragons called celestial dracolines that might work as beasts if you can get the saddles and gear off of them. Or use salamanders/razordons. Â That said, do the aesthetics of the Balrog and dragons you mention have a similar aesthetic? Like, will they look like a coherent army? The mini balrog ones I was going to maybe green stuff some scales and head swap. I'm also thinking maybe cold ones for the beasts as well. I think I'd have to take a look in person at the models I've never actually seen a magmadroth but it did look like a good fit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5288184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pearson73 Posted April 1, 2019 Author Share Posted April 1, 2019 Some cracking ideas here already, some more I've thought of are Gûlavhar the Terror of Arnor (plus the various other monsters that folk have mentioned from LotR), or perhaps some of the various Tyranid models, sufficiently altered. The floating tentacled beasts particularly seem like they could be worked into some sort of ominous warp entity.  Looking back to the standard daemons that GW has furnished us with, I've seen Bloodletters with Daemonette claws several times and some with Genestealer heads for a very different, rather creepy look. Changing up paint styles works well too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5288996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killersquid Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 A buddy of mine is excited to use the gellerpox models for his daemons of the ruinstorm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5289088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purge the Daemon Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I could definetly see a really skilled sculptor do some wacky stuff to tyranids models they are awfully customizable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5289133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 What would the consensus be on using Nighthaunt, because I love their models but essentially just porting in an AoS army doesn’t feel creative Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5291024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ficinus Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 One of the issues with Nighthaunt is a lack of monsters. Daemon Lords, Greater Daemons, Greater Daemonic Beasts, and Daemonic Behemoths are all supposed to be pretty big models (bases are 130mm, 130mm, 100mm, 170mm oval respectively). The largest Nighthaunt models are Lady Olynder (60mm base), Kurdos Valentian (60mm base), Reikenor the Grimhailer (75mm oval), and the Black Coach (170mm oval). Nagash (130mm) and the Mortis Engine (120mm oval) could be added to that, but that still makes it hard. Lady Olynder, Kurdos Valentian, and Reiknor are probably too small to be anything truly monstrous (except maybe a Shrike for Reiknor) and the Black Coach and Mortis Engines might look a bit odd given their old timey feel. So, you would need to find 3rd party monsters that fit in or heavily convert models for all the monsters. Â On top of that, it does feel a bit lazy without doing some sort of work to make it feel unique. I feel like if one doesn't want to customize the whole army, one should use the standard daemon range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5291082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 One of the issues with Nighthaunt is a lack of monsters. Daemon Lords, Greater Daemons, Greater Daemonic Beasts, and Daemonic Behemoths are all supposed to be pretty big models (bases are 130mm, 130mm, 100mm, 170mm oval respectively). The largest Nighthaunt models are Lady Olynder (60mm base), Kurdos Valentian (60mm base), Reikenor the Grimhailer (75mm oval), and the Black Coach (170mm oval). Nagash (130mm) and the Mortis Engine (120mm oval) could be added to that, but that still makes it hard. Lady Olynder, Kurdos Valentian, and Reiknor are probably too small to be anything truly monstrous (except maybe a Shrike for Reiknor) and the Black Coach and Mortis Engines might look a bit odd given their old timey feel. So, you would need to find 3rd party monsters that fit in or heavily convert models for all the monsters.  On top of that, it does feel a bit lazy without doing some sort of work to make it feel unique. I feel like if one doesn't want to customize the whole army, one should use the standard daemon range.  That is the conclusion im coming to as well. As cool as the Nighthaunt are, to directly port is both a stretch AND doesn't follow the basing guidelines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5291095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amun Ra Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 You also have the option of a Mourngul from fw, but still leaves the range a bit light imo for big stuff. Shame as the nighthaunt stuff is great. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/354860-daemons-of-the-ruinstorm-models/#findComment-5291100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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