Jolemai Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Welcome to part three of the Blood Angels Unit of the Week Series! Following the release of the 8th edition Codex, there is no better time to discuss all the units we have access to. Each week a different unit will appear, with the idea being that we discuss how best to use that model on the battlefield. Where part one will focus on the unique BA units and part two will focus on BA units that are new to this edition of the Codex, part three will discuss how to get the best use the generic units from the past that are still with us (and that many of us have in our armies still). Note, this isn't to lament any nerfs, etc, from previous editions; the rules are as they are so try to unlock its potential for those who wish to use them all the same. Similarly, this thread is only for using the option being discussed; it matters not if you feel something is a better choice as such comments aren't constructive to the topic and shall be removed. Without further ado, here's this week's entry: Librarian in Terminator Armour TDA Librarian, Xenith What are you thoughts here folks? How best would you use a TDA Librarian? To compliment a list, or to build a list around? Will the beta rules affect your list(s)? Will you be running multiple units? Footslog, transport, or Teleport Strike? Suitable for Warlord duties? What weapons and equipment are you taking and does the above affect how you run them? What psychic powers are you taking and how are you using them? Are you buffing this unit? If so, how? Stratagems of note? Over to you Nb: Please note that Primaris Librarian, Librarian Dreadnought, Mephiston, and Librarian will be covered on a separate entry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 Should you want your model on display here (or on another thread from the series), then submit a photo here please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5300788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Terminator armour is generally not my first choice for our characters but it does have the advantage of being the only way we can give a Librarian an invulnerable save so it can have a role. If you are playing defensively and want a backfield character to cast powers like Shield of Sanguinius on a valuable units, then a Terminator Librarian might have some value. Maybe combo with a unit of Hellblasters and an Ancient with Standard of Sacrifice. To be honest I don't feel that is playing to our strengths. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5300808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 Only used one once so far. Did a Teleport Strike and went to use Wings afterwards but whiffed :/ I think there's potential here with a storm shield (Index option) - Wings, Quickening, force axe, storm shield as maybe a tarpit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5300811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-dog1996 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 I like the possibility for a deep-striking psyker, and I'd be inclined to take the Termie Librarian over a JP Librarian in that role due to increased survivability. He could be a good drop companion for a Slamguinius to ensure someone is always nearby to cast unleash rage on him when he charges. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5300812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 More a fun unit that anything, I think. He can still take a combi weapon using the index, right? A combi-plasma adds a nice bit of firepower, especially with a captain around, melta is maybe a safer option. Force axe + Red Thirst + Quickening is quite threatening, but that can be said of non TDA Librarians also. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5300827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slothysaur Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Only used one once so far. Did a Teleport Strike and went to use Wings afterwards but whiffed :/ I think there's potential here with a storm shield (Index option) - Wings, Quickening, force axe, storm shield as maybe a tarpit? Can wings be used the same turn the libby deepstrikes? I know it won't work for Mephiston after he exits a drop pod, due to the Big FAQ 2 iirc Index: Chaos FAQ. Edit: Found the correct source. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5300875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hintzy Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Can wings be used the same turn the libby deepstrikes? I know it won't work for Mephiston after he exits a drop pod, due to the Big FAQ 2 iirc. I was under the impression "move again" abilities cannot be used on a unit who has arrived from reserves that turn. I'm not certain which FAQ that's in though. Quickening still turns a 9 inch charge into a 6 inch charge though, so that's still pretty solid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5300887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djangomatic82 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Only used one once so far. Did a Teleport Strike and went to use Wings afterwards but whiffed :/ I think there's potential here with a storm shield (Index option) - Wings, Quickening, force axe, storm shield as maybe a tarpit?Can wings be used the same turn the libby deepstrikes? I know it won't work for Mephiston after he exits a drop pod, due to the Big FAQ 2 iirc. Looking through BigFaq 2, i don't see anything that would prevent a unit from using a psychic power on the turn in which they arrive. Maybe you were thinking of the tactical reserve rule that stops us from deepstriking units turn one? it should work for Mephiston as well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5300892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanewatts Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 A unit can't move again after arriving from reserves. There is a few precedents already set, but the biggest previous offender was Warptiming a unit that had just arrived (which no longer works from FAQ.) One thing the termie libby has going for it is vs a vindicare. Sit the libby in terrain and now he has a 4+ save vs a vindicare shot (1+ with -3AP.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5300993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majkhel Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 A unit can't move again after arriving from reserves. There is a few precedents already set, but the biggest previous offender was Warptiming a unit that had just arrived (which no longer works from FAQ.) That being said, he can still cast Wings and benefit from other than move-during-psychic-phase characteristics of the spell until it worns out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5300999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 In my defense, it was a while ago when I did this... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5301009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanewatts Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Majkhel - You are absolutely right here. Get that sweet 12" fly move next turn. Jolemai - All good haha. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5301023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 If you advance the Libby and cast Wings it cannot charge - correct ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5301039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanewatts Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Black Blow Fly - Correct Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5301049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slothysaur Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 After shuffling through ten different FAQ's I found what I was looking for. In the Index: Chaos FAQ the following is answered: When Warptime is manifested, you cannot select a unit that had arrived from reserves that turn to be affected. That FAQ inadvrtantly nerfed Mephiston using Wings when deploying from a drop pod (a popular tactic at the time), which would directly transfer to a Terminator Librarian being unable to move using Wings the turn it arrived from reserves. I have no idea when this FAQ happened, but you're absolutely right Jolemai, it was doable in the past. I do think that Wings is a great power to take on a terminator librarian however. It makes the librarian suprisingly mobile and could easily catch your opponent off guard, it could even lead to you sniping an enemy character with smite. Now that I really think more about it, I don't think I would take the terminator librarian without Wings. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5301205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 If you advance the Libby and cast Wings it cannot charge - correct ? Wings has not effect on that. Advance = No charge unless otherwise specified. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5301438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 Majkhel - You are absolutely right here. Get that sweet 12" fly move next turn. Also the charge re-roll. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5301534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluejayJunior Posted April 24, 2019 Share Posted April 24, 2019 After shuffling through ten different FAQ's I found what I was looking for. In the Index: Chaos FAQ the following is answered: When Warptime is manifested, you cannot select a unit that had arrived from reserves that turn to be affected. That FAQ inadvrtantly nerfed Mephiston using Wings when deploying from a drop pod (a popular tactic at the time), which would directly transfer to a Terminator Librarian being unable to move using Wings the turn it arrived from reserves. I have no idea when this FAQ happened, but you're absolutely right Jolemai, it was doable in the past. It's also in the main rulebook FAQ under the Reiforcements section. There it points out that a unit that is set up as reinforcements cannot move that turn (except for charging). Technically, it was never doable, just no one realized that you weren't supposed to be allowed to do it. Once GW realized that everyone was doing it, they had to point to the rule that says it's not allowed. Wings + Quickening is still a good combo for a deepstriking Terminator Librarian though. Bonus to charge and re-rolling can let him get into a unit once he drops, plus more movement and FLY for next turn. If he has the axe, he'll be wounding most infantry on 2+. Won't blend a unit, but can put the hurt on a smaller unit or a character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5301562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 We have three "magic missiles" and access to combi-weaponry. Any use to be found with a fire and forget unit going after targets of opportunity? Perhaps objective camping? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5305418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 The Blood Angels magic missiles are pretty underwhelming imo. It's a build, just not a good one I fear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5305702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaese Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 We have three "magic missiles" and access to combi-weaponry. Any use to be found with a fire and forget unit going after targets of opportunity? Perhaps objective camping? Smite + combimelta can be unforgiving for a lone character. Unfortunately it doesn't happen that often. I like the model a lot, but unfortunately it usually fails to have any real effect on the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/355484-unit-of-the-week-librarian-in-terminator-armour/#findComment-5305995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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