Dracos Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I’d be curious ... are there more UM players than DIY? If so is it the large number of the special characters? You’d think a rule to build your own would generate equal sales for DIY players who prefer using their own imagination and creative skills. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5354682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Ya know I'm not even mad. Whatevs I'm on holidays ;) Tigurius or a random libby, I ain't getting it either way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5354685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maritn Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Might the guy in front of the walker carry a storm shield? Edit: Also, is that the smoke grenade from the rumor pic? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5354743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nord in Gravis Armour Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Edit: Also, is that the smoke grenade from the rumor pic? Probably - and you might be the lucky millionth person to have guessed that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5354749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Dude with staff and back banner, 2 eliminators it seems and a dude posed like photos librarian. Curious about the phobos posed dude. Theres already a librarian there, cant be another. actually think its the exact same model. single release of him. wasn't he on his own sprue? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5354762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I’d be curious ... are there more UM players than DIY? If so is it the large number of the special characters? You’d think a rule to build your own would generate equal sales for DIY players who prefer using their own imagination and creative skills. I feel like there are opportunities to spread out many of the chapter specific characters into special, limited HQ choices. Every chapter has a chief librarian, master of scouts, and whatever Chronus is. Chapter Masters and unique infantry units would, in my eyes, be the best place to focus on separating the chapters rather than overloading one with a bajillion special characters while others have but one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5354790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I agree but GW works on a specific, monopose business model right now. I feel like they'd rather special characters the a multi part kit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5354801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nord in Gravis Armour Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 Dude with staff and back banner, 2 eliminators it seems and a dude posed like photos librarian. Curious about the phobos posed dude. Theres already a librarian there, cant be another. actually think its the exact same model. single release of him. wasn't he on his own sprue? Yes, the Captain and Librarian were both on separate sprues. The Lieutenant was mixed in with the others. The Libby could be Primaris Tigurius. He has a staff and a back banner... THUS my conclusion in the preceding post that that's who it was. I didn't just pull a name out of the codex at random. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5354808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rik Lightstar Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 I’d be curious ... are there more UM players than DIY? If so is it the large number of the special characters? You’d think a rule to build your own would generate equal sales for DIY players who prefer using their own imagination and creative skills. They kinds do, 1- select Character 2- select Wargear 3- select Warlord Trait 4- select Relic 5- give your "Special Character" a name 6- keep these the same every game Congratulations, you've now created "Chapter Master Bob of the Shiny Sabers who's renowned for his successful campaign an against the Aeldari of Craftworld Mar'khamill" Rik Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5354816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 I’d be curious ... are there more UM players than DIY? If so is it the large number of the special characters? You’d think a rule to build your own would generate equal sales for DIY players who prefer using their own imagination and creative skills.They kinds do,1- select Character 2- select Wargear 3- select Warlord Trait 4- select Relic 5- give your "Special Character" a name 6- keep these the same every game Congratulations, you've now created "Chapter Master Bob of the Shiny Sabers who's renowned for his successful campaign an against the Aeldari of Craftworld Mar'khamill" Rik Sure, but you can also make Bob an Ultramarine who can now play next to the Chief Librarian, the Primaris Calgar, or even alongside the Primarch without losing a beat. Which from a rules perspective continues to be a sore point for everyone not enamored with the Smurfs ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5354846 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 I still think Strats could make units useful even without altering the datasheet, for example imagine if you could teleport in a Redemptor Dreadnough 9" from an enemy unit and then charge 2D6+2. Suddenly becomes a serious threat. That's certainly possible, but not a good approach. Units should be useful by default with Stratagems making them temporarily better depending on the situation. We need better strats that are well thought out . Me I would take what Ishagu proposes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5354847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 In theory totally agree with sfPanzer .... but if it takes Stratagems to get my Aggressors a Deep Strike rule then I guess I'll have to take it. Wouldn't mind a Veteran upgrade with 5++ while I'm at it ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5354889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 I agree but GW works on a specific, monopose business model right now. I feel like they'd rather special characters the a multi part kit. To be fair, nearly all the characters in the range's history have been largely monopose. What with the metal, then finecast ranges for blister characters. The only exception I can think of is the SM commander box kit, or the plastic command squad kit. I also cannot think of a single chaplain or librarian kit which wasn't monopose? (Techmarine too?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Ah but we used to be able to kit bash our characters quite easily. I've got a MK4 Librarian I built only 3 months ago after all. However, I do concede that many people stick to character clam packs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Ah but we used to be able to kit bash our characters quite easily. I've got a MK4 Librarian I built only 3 months ago after all. However, I do concede that many people stick to character clam packs. I've got a kitbashed primaris librarian, kit bashed primaris apothecary and a kit bashed primaris chaplain. You still can, just as easily as before. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hantheman Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Based on the new repulsor changes, what good things come out of this codex, expect it to be nerfed a month after release regardless Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknife Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Always buy for the rule of cool, yet to see GW nerf what a model looks like 1 month after release. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Ah but we used to be able to kit bash our characters quite easily. I've got a MK4 Librarian I built only 3 months ago after all. However, I do concede that many people stick to character clam packs. I've got a kitbashed primaris librarian, kit bashed primaris apothecary and a kit bashed primaris chaplain. You still can, just as easily as before. Pics please! I struggle myself with GW's more recent kits (including my Blades of Khorne) to kit bash. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Based on the new repulsor changes, what good things come out of this codex, expect it to be nerfed a month after release regardless I think a smaller points hike would have been appropriate, with the full 30 landing on the deathwatch version. Either that, or repulsors are getting strat/tactic support in the new book and they were just over the top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Based on the new repulsor changes, what good things come out of this codex, expect it to be nerfed a month after release regardless I think a smaller points hike would have been appropriate, with the full 30 landing on the deathwatch version. Either that, or repulsors are getting strat/tactic support in the new book and they were just over the top I think it deserved to be 30 points less than it was already, not 30 more. A measly 16 wounds with no FNP, no invuln, and these current cover and LoS rules made them difficult to field except in numbers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 I'm reserving any judgement until the full codex lands. As of now this is still just a unit with a datasheet and no book. For all we know the weapons on it will all get cheaper, or it will get chapter tactics, or great strats, etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 I for one am looking forward to my firesupport vehicle rerolling charges. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Based on the new repulsor changes, what good things come out of this codex, expect it to be nerfed a month after release regardless I think a smaller points hike would have been appropriate, with the full 30 landing on the deathwatch version. Either that, or repulsors are getting strat/tactic support in the new book and they were just over the top I think it deserved to be 30 points less than it was already, not 30 more. A measly 16 wounds with no FNP, no invuln, and these current cover and LoS rules made them difficult to field except in numbers. Well yea; my assumption is that they're only fielded when there's a minimum of 2 to create redundancy and multiple targets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARK0SIAN Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 I think the fact that Chaos didn’t get chapter tactics on vehicles is a big indicator that marines won’t either. At this point I’d settle for them all ignoring the movement penalty for firing heavy weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 I wonder if there is going to be a new campaign with this. Do dreads get chapter tactics? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357173-codex-space-marines-20-speculation-discussion/page/13/#findComment-5355802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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