Captain Idaho Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Firstborn is also incorrect as many Primaris hail from long before the living Astartes of today, and it ignores the Thunder Warriors and Custodes who were the original creation of the Emperor. It's just a term used by a deviating chapter north of the galactic split (A great chapter with lots of character, mind). Everyone is spamming the term as if it was GW's official name for the range. Have you read that I've used the term First Born? If you have a problem with folk using that term then do what I do and continue to use Classic Marines. Thing is, you've chosen something deliberately derogatory for what reason? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 From what I can see in your quote it’s also factually incorrect since neither Thunder Warriors or Custodes are Adeptus Astartes, while old marines and Primaris are. We also all know the reason. The fact the baiting and condescension are still allowed to go undeleted is baffling. Especially in a thread where nothing derogatory is being said about anything else and is constructively discussing new ways old marines can live on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickSix Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Firstborn is also incorrect as many Primaris hail from long before the living Astartes of today, and it ignores the Thunder Warriors and Custodes who were the original creation of the Emperor. It's just a term used by a deviating chapter north of the galactic split (A great chapter with lots of character, mind). Everyone is spamming the term as if it was GW's official name for the range. We also spam 'Space Marines' when really their proper name is Adeptus Astartes and we speak English instead of low gothic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Don't take it so personal. The term is probably the most accurate as even the Ultramarine gene-seed was degraded and "thinned" after millennia of use compared to at it's peak prior to the Horus Heresy. The Firstborn is in itself derogatory towards Primaris. Firstborn is a term that carries the further connotation of "Favoured" My observation is that it is not the official term yet is overused in this very topic. Thin blood is also not ths official term. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Let's get back on topic, folks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Centurion Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Some people are confused i believe, Thunder Warriors are not truly Space Marines, they are described as proto astartes, and Custodes are another kind of breed whit fancy hats, the "Primarch sons", the men who carry in their own flesh, the geneseed of the Primarchs are the first Space Marines. All of them looks similar, but all of them are diferent kind of superhumans. For my part, i refuse to use again the term "first Born/classic", a Space Marine are the tipe of Space Marine i know before 8 ed, and Primaris are the new breed whit more toys, this is my vow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 When the space marines are all primaris, there will be no more primaris, just space marines. Giving the example of AoS, forgive me mods, the new freeguild tome. People are jumping up and down because the supposed "dead" faction is getting support, when in fact its just a soup tome for older models that GW still wants to make a buck from. This is what I believe it will happen to Firstborn Space Marines eventually. They will be in life support for a while. a way to GW make a buck from players with an already existing collection, while primaris is a way of people make new collections with a new model line. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolvar Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 The day classic marines are out will be the day I'll be out of anything related to 40k. I will never buy anything primaris. Let's see if they keep true to their word that classic marines are going nowhere. Time will tell, but it doesn't looks good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Expanding on that bolvar, they technically can keep them indefinitely, and yet have no mainstream releases for them, apart from the odd Sm heros, limited editions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 The day classic marines are out will be the day I'll be out of anything related to 40k. I will never buy anything primaris. Let's see if they keep true to their word that classic marines are going nowhere. Time will tell, but it doesn't looks good. So is your expectation that the original Marines are supported forever until the day that GW ceases to exist? I don't have that kind of expectation for any of the ranges, including Primaris. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 The day classic marines are out will be the day I'll be out of anything related to 40k. I will never buy anything primaris. Let's see if they keep true to their word that classic marines are going nowhere. Time will tell, but it doesn't looks good. There will be still be continued support in the Heresy era that can be used to make the units in 8th Edition too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Don't take it so personal. The term is probably the most accurate as even the Ultramarine gene-seed was degraded and "thinned" after millennia of use compared to at it's peak prior to the Horus Heresy. The Firstborn is in itself derogatory towards Primaris. Firstborn is a term that carries the further connotation of "Favoured" My observation is that it is not the official term yet is overused in this very topic. Thin blood is also not ths official term. I hope these concepts are explored in the narrative more. Those connotations certainly aren't all positive after all. Full blown Badab War style conflict within some of the more...ahem...traditional Chapters is a tantalizing possibility. This is how we get there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 GW has already stated every chapter received and integrated Primaris. It would only be DIYs that didn’t, and it would also be historical since at this point in the timeline they’ve been integrated and making them for a hundred years or more. Also, pretty off topic for a thread about how oldmarines will still be supported in other systems and specialist releases. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 GW has already stated every chapter received and integrated Primaris. It would only be DIYs that didn’t, and it would also be historical since at this point in the timeline they’ve been integrated and making them for a hundred years or more. Also, pretty off topic for a thread about how oldmarines will still be supported in other systems and specialist releases. Conflicts can certainly boil to the surface after 100 years. It took longer for the heresy to begin, after all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 I agree. It's also possible that Classic Marines in each Chapter that ACCEPTED Primaris could revolt. Wouldn't it be delicious if renegade Salamanders or Ultramarines took on their Primaris equivalent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 If it is in their best interest to keep people buying new things , then I think what we will see is more primaris stuff come out until it stands on its own as a full range , the older stuff will likely still exist , still have rules , but be less prominently covered. For all we know GW is playing this carefully, I think maybe as we see the Primaris line grow and the traditional marine line dwindle they might make a big push with HH stuff or Scouring Era stuff because then you could lean heavily on the traditional kits and make new stuff that fits into that time frame. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 @Idaho No, because that is the very thing they should never do or explore because it’s repercussions among the fans. They have so much work to do to make the Primaris and Dark Imperium story not the stuttering wreck it is right now, if they’re going to do anything focus on that instead. We’ve got ten thousand years of history to enjoy oldmarines exclusively in the other events and stories that eclipse anything that exists for Primaris right now. They need to work in giving Primaris their own Cadias and Armageddons and Ichar IVs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 I really hope we don't see a civil war between members of existing chapters. It would be, frankly, pretty dumb. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 I personally think we've had enough large scale civil wars. Now that GW is releasing new kits for multiple factions and systems on a regular basis there's always going to be campaigns possible against Xenos, Traitors and Daemons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 I think the 40K dumb boat has sailed... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 Okay, putting it a different way - do you want your firstborn/classic marines to become a new branch of villains? That's pretty much the only way such a storyline happens, they go renegade. The reason its dumb is, as Marshal Rohr said, it would make the player split/divide and enmity even worse, and would make people even more annoyed. "I don't want my cool blood angels/ultramarine character to go renegade and turn from the light of the emperor" etc. I'd rather see people become more unified personally, I like primaris more, I don't mind the story progression, it isn't perfect but the books have done a good job to make it better. But I also don't mind classic marines, lore wise Dante remains my favourite character. I just choose not to use classic marines as I simply don't like the models as much. But I have no downer on the new stuff and wish people could get along as is starting to be implied is the case in novels (spears epitomised this where firstborn or primaris almost made no difference at all- well done ADB) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 I'd rather have loyalist renegade than nothing at all. It's not dumb. It's inclusive rather than forcing folk into separate games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 If classic Marines turn renegade to fight against Primaris there's a simple solution to that for GW ... *points towards the Chaos Space Marines* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 I'd rather have loyalist renegade than nothing at all. It's not dumb. It's inclusive rather than forcing folk into separate games. I'd rather they keep both space marines and primaris as options to imperium. Maybe make them two codexes that can be used in the same detachment as they're both space marines. Whatever but it would be better. I can use my new primaris stuff, or my classic stuff or a mix if I want that way. Which is what they have right now. Yay! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 I've been bored of "everything is Chaos" in GW games for a while. Why do renegades have to be against the Imperium? Why can't they fight for human worlds? Why can't we have a bit of nuance instead of good guys vs bad guys? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357306-so-how-long-before-gw-retires-the-non-primaris-range/page/5/#findComment-5352303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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