So how long before GW retires the non-Primaris range?

[Marshal Rohr]

That is a plot line that shouldn’t even be entertained as a theory.

[Lemondish]

Some of you guys talk about "renegade classic marines" in a hypotetical civil war between primaris and classic elements inside the chapters

 

Why not the other way? renegade/cawl-mind controlled primaris, acting against the chapters that they have been sent? Because if one side should be more prone to rebel, it should be the new guys who appeared out of nowhere, specially being a mix of pre and heresy era and new recruits, instead of the ones that have been kicking for 10 millenia.

 

That way, you keep the classic marines as the old, loyal ones and the primaris can go two routes: either prove themselves that they're truly loyal, or go the renegade route. Instead of demonizing the old chaps

Probably because the toys being replaced rebelling is a bit more relatable after Toy Story 3.

 

And if there's one thing we can all agree on, 40k aping Toy Story is the narrative we all truly deserve.

 

Andy for Emperor!

[Captain Idaho]

My kids like Primaris too, which is telling in itself.

 

Certainly though, my kids liked Space Marines and if new Classics came out they'd like them too. ;)

[ShibeKing]

I hope they come out with something for Classic Marines so we can move on and get something for Guard and Eldar. As long as the main buyers aren't happy, I'm getting jack diddly for my favorite factions.

[Robbienw]

As a gamer, with ocd, I want my stuff to be consistent. Mixing older squads with Primaris squads just doesn’t work for me. I also won’t invest my money into the old stuff because the new stuff is a better quality.

This is a matter solely of opinion.

 

Sure some of the older marine kits made in the early 2000s are not as good quality as recent kits, of course. Neither is any kit from that era. But the more recent stuff is designed with the same technology as used to make Primaris only a few years later, so from a technical point of view this is not true.

 

For me the design aethesetic of Primaris is markedly inferior.

 

Though I do not suffer from OCD, I can see the consistency issue, which works both ways. But again this is not an immutable law, there are a lot of people who see no issue at all and make mixed forces

 

 

As for kids, well they tend to like big chunky bright unsubtle stuff. Their tastes become more sophisticated as they get older ;)

[Zephaniah Adriyen]

I personally LOVE the aesthetic of Primaris and Mark X Tacticus armor. I also like Mark IV armor, Mark VI armor and Mark VIII armor. I especially like how the old Rogue Trader Mark VI Marines looked. That's the classic. I actually think they should rerelease the whole RTB01 design as a "Mark VI Marines" kit, akin to the old-design Noise Marine getting a rerelease in that $35 effectively-a-Character model. I would buy that in a heartbeat.

[Dracos]

My kids like Primaris too, which is telling in itself.

 

Certainly though, my kids liked Space Marines and if new Classics came out they'd like them too.

 

Even the Combat Scouts?   

[Boldthreat]

My kids like Primaris too, which is telling in itself.

 

Certainly though, my kids liked Space Marines and if new Classics came out they'd like them too. ;)

You know it’s funny, I still play Dawn of War 1 every now and then. All I hear now is... Dad where are the Intercessors? Dad where are the Gravis Captains? Dad those don’t look like Death Guard. Where’s Guilliman?

 

Back in my day kids we didn’t have Primarchs and Mark X anything! Rhinos couldn’t fly and Black Templar’s didn’t have librarians cause they hated witches!

 

They can’t even watch me play Chaos Gate! But man, Chaos Gate is 40k in my head! Primaris a great and I love moving forward. But a updated space marine classics line and setting... that would be my jam.

[Zephaniah Adriyen]

I even went and updated the Death Guard colors on my copy of Dawn of War to match the modern standard. Did the same for a couple other factions, and added the other First Founding Legions they missed.

[Marshal Rohr]

 

My kids like Primaris too, which is telling in itself.

 

Certainly though, my kids liked Space Marines and if new Classics came out they'd like them too. ;)

You know it’s funny, I still play Dawn of War 1 every now and then. All I hear now is... Dad where are the Intercessors? Dad where are the Gravis Captains? Dad those don’t look like Death Guard. Where’s Guilliman?

 

Back in my day kids we didn’t have Primarchs and Mark X anything! Rhinos couldn’t fly and Black Templar’s didn’t have librarians cause they hated witches!

 

They can’t even watch me play Chaos Gate! But man, Chaos Gate is 40k in my head! Primaris a great and I love moving forward. But a updated space marine classics line and setting... that would be my jam.

This is a teachable moment where you show them that studying Engineering, programming, and 3D CAD design is the best way to make things the exact way you want them to be. I’ve spent an embarrassing amount of time measuring the new chaos marines and trying to make the armor in CAD and I just don’t know enough anatomy to make it work.

[Lemondish]

For me the design aethesetic of Primaris is markedly inferior.

 

 

For me, it's the opposite - the stunted, squat Astartes Firstborn are somewhat noxious to look at. Especially Terminators - even though I love everything about units like Terminators, Sternguard, and Vanguard Vets, the proportions and size of Primaris look so much more natural.

 

Which is why it is such a boon that these units are different. Intercessors may be very similar to a tactical squad, but it's immensely important to recognize that they aren't, strictly speaking, a tactical squad. The fact that both aesthetics exist side by side is a benefit.

[SickSix]

Don't get me wrong, I think Intercessors are great models and finally show how big Space Marines should have been all along. Unfortunately for me I think every other Primaris unit looks silly (Agressors, Inceptors and the jumpy Auto-cannon ones), even the tanks and dread are silly to me. i just wish the boxnought had Contemptor legs and it would have never looked so goofy (I still love them though).

 

But I am also a huge lore guy and the lore behind Primaris is just awful in my opinion.

 

The only way I move to Primaris is if my son ever gets interested. And by then Firstborn will be gone and Primaris will have a full list of units for all roles.

[MithrilForge]

I went to my GW store last night to get a box of these...

Apparently a mate said these were "THE" space marines and they weren't being replaced ever... i Couldn't find a box of em have they been discontinued?!

Mithril

[Zephaniah Adriyen]

Mmmmmmmmmmmnh, old Tacticals. Need me some of those. Gonna paint them up in my modern Chapter colors.

[Boldthreat]

 

 

My kids like Primaris too, which is telling in itself.

 

Certainly though, my kids liked Space Marines and if new Classics came out they'd like them too. ;)

You know it’s funny, I still play Dawn of War 1 every now and then. All I hear now is... Dad where are the Intercessors? Dad where are the Gravis Captains? Dad those don’t look like Death Guard. Where’s Guilliman?

 

Back in my day kids we didn’t have Primarchs and Mark X anything! Rhinos couldn’t fly and Black Templar’s didn’t have librarians cause they hated witches!

 

They can’t even watch me play Chaos Gate! But man, Chaos Gate is 40k in my head! Primaris a great and I love moving forward. But a updated space marine classics line and setting... that would be my jam.

This is a teachable moment where you show them that studying Engineering, programming, and 3D CAD design is the best way to make things the exact way you want them to be. I’ve spent an embarrassing amount of time measuring the new chaos marines and trying to make the armor in CAD and I just don’t know enough anatomy to make it work.

Funny you mention that. I have 10 plus years experience in CAD design. Mostly in field plant diagrams and building schematics. Nothing fancy on my part. Getting my kids into 40k has already lit a fire in them into board games and miniature war games as a whole. As fun as getting them into 40k was and is. The most fun I had with them was in getting them together and making our own SCI FI risk game. We created our own board and supplemental rules, and we are now designing 3 units to have produced via shapeways. Oh it’s lit a fire in me.

 

Now I’m looking at custom plastic chapter badges and stuff for my own DIY chapter. I’m going down a road lol. It’s a great time for custom projects.

[Lemondish]

Funny you mention that. I have 10 plus years experience in CAD design. Mostly in field plant diagrams and building schematics. Nothing fancy on my part. Getting my kids into 40k has already lit a fire in them into board games and miniature war games as a whole. As fun as getting them into 40k was and is. The most fun I had with them was in getting them together and making our own SCI FI risk game. We created our own board and supplemental rules, and we are now designing 3 units to have produced via shapeways. Oh it’s lit a fire in me.

 

Now I’m looking at custom plastic chapter badges and stuff for my own DIY chapter. I’m going down a road lol. It’s a great time for custom projects.

That custom Risk sounds really cool!

[Wispy]

measure the time in the lifetime of the molds

[Robbienw]

 

For me the design aethesetic of Primaris is markedly inferior.

 

 

For me, it's the opposite - the stunted, squat Astartes Firstborn are somewhat noxious to look at

Noxious?!? An odd adjective to use to describe models you don’t like, but ok mate :lol: Probably best if you stay away from them in that case, wouldn’t want you getting ill from over exposure to classic marines :lol: :lol:

[Marshal Reinhard]

If only that applied to everyone.....

[Marshal Reinhard]

I find the very concept that even if someone were to talk about someone's specific models let alone a general range of models, that this would somehow not be allowed, to be absolutely alien.

 

Granted, I would consider it extremely rude to speak like that about a specific persons personal models, and I would never do so myself, but to say it's not allowed? Noone has that control over another's opinion.

 

So even if this statement was about your own personal models specifically (or indeed let's say its about my models, so as to avoid pointing fingers at anyone else here)... I find greater offense at the notion that someone would not be allowed to say this, rather than whatever aesthetic based differences he could possibly utter. This goes before any assessment on wether the critique is constructive or not.

 

Take the recent comments about the new sister repentia in the news thread. Some liked them some didn't. Are these opinions not 'acceptable' either? Some derided the previous (or maybe it was third party knockoffs) models as "porn nuns". Is that opinion beyond the pale? When does it start or stop being acceptable if we play this game?

 

 

I sense a thread moderation incoming, so this is probably just pointless venting on my part, but that opinions are somehow not valid, acceptable or allowed is just not something that jives well with me at all.

 

EDIT: Grammar and clarification.

[Sete]

Cmon lads don't get this locked.

On the models looks, the Intercessors look good, but for me that's it on the primaris range, I still prefer the old range except centurions.

I do hope if they redo Terminators, they retain some of the classic look.

[Iron Father Ferrum]

=][= Okay guys, everyone take a deep breath please. =][=

[Joe]

I think the finecast Thunderfire Cannon is a debacle. That doesn't necessarily mean that I think the models of people that use it are; it means I see a problem with the product itself, not what people make of it.

[Carrick]

I haven’t painted any Primaris marines yet as I’ve got loads of original style plastic still to paint. I like the aesthetic of the new marines and look forward to painting some.

 

I recently read Dark Imperium and enjoyed the way the story is evolving.

 

My main problem with the new releases is the lack of flexibility for building squads and load outs. I loved picking the special weapons in my Grey Hunter squads or what specific weapons my Sergeants would have. I feel is this massively missing from the Primaris line and think it’s a shame.

 

I get the reasoning of simplification but it’s not why I like the game. I like that my 3 squads of Grey Hunters have different battlefield roles and that I have the tactical flexibility to do it.

 

If they changed that, allowed mixing of troop types and added some close combat Primaris then I’d probably not be too sad to say goodbye to my old models eventually. The whole Primaris can’t go in Land Raiders is lame though same for no normal marines in a Repulsor. It’s so arbitrary.

 

All that being said there is no way that GW aren’t eventually planning for all Astartes Chapters to be fully Primaris. I just hope they don’t get rid of the unique nature of the chapters in doing that. Removing the Death Company is really sad. Am not too bothered by losing Wulfen as a SW player though.

[Lemondish]

I do hope if they redo Terminators, they retain some of the classic look.

Me too. Especially that helmet!