Ciler Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 forget about the current problem not speaking french^^ Whats the exact wording - would be pleased sooooo much. He says : "I've red somewhere that BT won't be in the IF supplement but in a Vigilus-style campaign book" He doesn't really elaborate further nor provide a source. Further along, someone references Heavy from French Wargaming Studio as saying BTs "will get a supplement". To be honest, there isn't much more there than the same inferences people have been making here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 forget about the current problem not speaking french^^ Whats the exact wording - would be pleased sooooo much. He says : "I've red somewhere that BT won't be in the IF supplement but in a Vigilus-style campaign book" He doesn't really elaborate further nor provide a source. Further along, someone references Heavy from French Wargaming Studio as saying BTs "will get a supplement". To be honest, there isn't much more there than the same inferences people have been making here. Well with Kirioth getting the same information about Templars in a sort of box release (Tooth and Claw was part of Vigilus after all), we could see them in a supplement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOneTrueZon Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 At least according to the Warhammer Community folks - the Sword Brother specialist detachment is verifiably still valid: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2edition Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 At least according to the Warhammer Community folks - the Sword Brother specialist detachment is verifiably still valid: No only that, but the "characters must take a chapter warlord trait" bit was moved to the supplements, which we don't have. And vigilus only states named characters can't use field commander, not that a named warlord can't take the vigilus trait. So I am running Helbrect with SwordMaster at my next tourney, with prior TO approval due to RAW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Kirioth with a rumor of us getting a box set vs orkz.....so maybe there will be more as to what we might be getting As said just a rumor just a romor... and could be wishthinking too. on the other hand, last year GW released Abbi - THE Chaos boss. Maybe we will see a big boss each year like: -2017 Gully -2018 Abbi -2019 Ghazi -2020 Vect -2021 ... That could be possible as Ghazi is a poorly scaled old model. Also a BT vs Orks is very reasonable but I would think GW would put a different chapter in their over BT as seen by their patterns. If this does line up that would be the point we would likely see some new BT models and characters models to tie into a campaign book. But this does feel like wish listing over something GW would really do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 8th edition has had a lot of throwbacks and throwing back to the old Ork and Templar starter box could very well a thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 We have wait and see. Obviously, its Primaris BT with one or 2 Chars vs Orks. I'll buy 3. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I don't see how our chapter specific rules could be tied to a box set. No previous box set has been tied up in such a way. Rules for new units, yes. But not faction specific ones. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
balordazul Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I don't see how our chapter specific rules could be tied to a box set. No previous box set has been tied up in such a way. Rules for new units, yes. But not faction specific ones. Think DG vs Codex SM 8th ed starter box. If it is something more then just black and white Primaris models called BT it could have themed rules. But we have not seen any Primaris models themed to a chapter yet. I was expecting Blueberries, BA or Wolves to get the first themed models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 If there is a box... it will be like the SW tooth and claw. If you dont want to play BT - you dont have to. But it can released in same time as a BT-Supp / rules-development in a Vigilus-style campain book and will include a sprue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 If there is a box... it will be like the SW tooth and claw. If you dont want to play BT - you dont have to. But it can released in same time as a BT-Supp / rules-development in a Vigilus-style campain book and will include a sprue. Pretty much this. And hey, if we get a chapter specific lt that'd be cool as far as I am concerned. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 If it follows recent patterns it won't be anything new. I can't see us getting a new Shadowspear so soon. Which means the units will likely be generic, and recent. I.e. Multi-part Vanguard. Be careful what you wish for... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeuronFlux Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Do we think Crusader squad initiates will go down to 12 pts like the normal tactical marines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson cowboy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 If it follows recent patterns it won't be anything new. I can't see us getting a new Shadowspear so soon. Which means the units will likely be generic, and recent. I.e. Multi-part Vanguard. Be careful what you wish for... And that is exactly why I’m satisfied with what I have Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2edition Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Do we think Crusader squad initiates will go down to 12 pts like the normal tactical marines? It would be weird if they didn't. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Neos should go down too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Link2edition Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Neos should go down too. Scouts didn't go down, I doubt Neos will. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Spanish Inquisitor Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 forget about the current problem not speaking french^^ Whats the exact wording - would be pleased sooooo much. He says : "I've red somewhere that BT won't be in the IF supplement but in a Vigilus-style campaign book" He doesn't really elaborate further nor provide a source. Further along, someone references Heavy from French Wargaming Studio as saying BTs "will get a supplement". To be honest, there isn't much more there than the same inferences people have been making here. He didn't say much on this specific message. If you read the whole thread, I asked him if his source was the same who predicted doctrines, +1 attack for marines, the flamer dreadnought etc, and he told me yes. That's why I am fairly confident and reposted it here. Now we just have to wait Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Neos should go down too. Scouts didn't go down, I doubt Neos will. Scouts have an extra ability, but I do share your doubt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 If it follows recent patterns it won't be anything new. I can't see us getting a new Shadowspear so soon. Which means the units will likely be generic, and recent. I.e. Multi-part Vanguard. Be careful what you wish for... And that is exactly why I’m satisfied with what I haveNothing? Nah mate, bring me new stuff whatever it is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitsHammer Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I don't see how our chapter specific rules could be tied to a box set. No previous box set has been tied up in such a way. Rules for new units, yes. But not faction specific ones.Perhaps not in the box set itself, but in a campaign book that comes out at the same time? Yeah, that's possible. Then again Shadowspear gave us a whole bunch of Vanguard rules so who knows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kombatwombat Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 A small thing, but the Inheritors of the Primarch Stratagem allows you to use the Tactic and rules of the 6 First Founding Chapters, but not Templars/Crimson Fists. It would seem to support the idea that we’re not getting a supplement, so we probably are in the Fists one as a Second Founding unless the Vigilus-style rumour is true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyB Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Neos should go down too. Scouts didn't go down, I doubt Neos will. Neos don't have the same stats as scouts, nor the same wargear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson cowboy Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 If it follows recent patterns it won't be anything new. I can't see us getting a new Shadowspear so soon. Which means the units will likely be generic, and recent. I.e. Multi-part Vanguard. Be careful what you wish for... And that is exactly why I’m satisfied with what I haveNothing? Nah mate, bring me new stuff whatever it is. I mean don’t get me wrong I agree with you I want new stuff....albeit I’m not a huge fan of primaris unless I were to run IF....but like me and you have talked about before I am a huge fan of the Templar knights....and when I came into the hobby and seen the Black Templar’s and that Maltese cross I’ve stuck with them......when I say I’m satisfied with what I have....it’s more or less I’m ok with what I’m getting as long as not forgotten.....I think we can all attest to the fact that truly we rather have little then to be squatted and shelved of who our chapter really is.....I want my 15-20 man squad full of chainswords not bolt rifles because girly man wants to adhere to the old days.....the Templar knights were mere humans who zealotry drove them to extraordinary measures.....as long as I can field my mass units of wrathful knights and burn the witch and slaughter the heretic continuesly....i won’t cry if I get nothing.....if that makes sense to most Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 We have wait and see. Obviously, its Primaris BT with one or 2 Chars vs Orks. I'll buy 3. 3 Boxes??? MINIMUM !!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357500-discussion-on-the-new-csm-possible-bt-supplement/page/24/#findComment-5371579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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