Iron Father Ferrum Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 So brothers, our Chapter Tactics have seen an upgrade! 1. Vehicles get Chapter Tactics. 2. 6+ FNP 3. Overwatch on 5+ 4. Double remaining wounds on chart to determine stats for vehicles So. Aside from not fixing the overlapping FNP on Ven Dreads, this is huge for us - especially for the tougher tanks like Land Raiders and Vindicators. They will live longer and maintain effectiveness longer; assuming Machine Empathy stays the same, they'll continue to be mobile as well. Anyone else feel reinvigorated on our Chapter? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Aside from vehicles finally getting the CT love they also benefit a lot, that extra reliability is going to make a big difference later game (or sometimes, early...). This is quite a nice boost compared to before. Granted, better is relative and wasn't particularly hard compared to before but I'm pleased with this. I can see it yielding results in a resolute wall of ceramite holding back the hordes. This feels like a nice shot in the arm so I can see my Marines getting on the table more for it If we can see some point adjustments here and there then I'll be happy, but as I always say best to hope for the best but expect the worst After all, GW still missed the Venerable Dread bit - but who knows perhaps the Ven got a rules change? Prove us wrong GW Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5358950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDERFISTS Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I'm pretty pumped for this! Having favored the IH tactic in the past, it just always felt like playing with a hand tied compared to Ultras and RG. Now it looks like you can roll out some heavy armor and actually have a chance. Going to wait until more is revealed (points, IH specific upgrade sprue, character) and then pull the trigger. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5358970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Oh boy, oh boy oh boy! Iron's back on the menu, boys!Doubly-effective Overwatch is just stellar, I must say (especially depending on if they kept the warlord trait the same). I've gotten lucky with overwatches before, and I'm now even more excited for additional luck and success on OW. Also vehicles ignoring wounds and being at full effectiveness longer is even better. I do wish they'd fixed ven dreads, but given my only one is pretty much irreperably broken, it's more a principle matter than a practical one. I wonder when the IH supplement will be released. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMarsh Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 A fantastic Tactic that fits the Iron Hands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 I'm exceedingly happy with the update to the chapters tactics my primaries horde list gets better due to the overwatch buff and the dreads and treads from the table buff. As for when we'll get our supplement I imagine we'll be the first of the next wave as we've seen out character already Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 Redemptors will be pretty worth it in IH now! Tough to shift and very effective for much longer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 "HELLO I AM AN IRON HANDS LEVIATHAN, PREPARE TO BEND THE :cuss OVER."Good God I am excite. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
THUNDERFISTS Posted August 5, 2019 Share Posted August 5, 2019 To go with all the new stuff I’m thinking something like: Primaris captain Primaris Lt. techmarine Intercessors x10, Powerfist Intercessors x10, Powerfist Intercessors x10, Powerfist Redemptor dakka x2 Mortis Contemptor lascannons x2 Repulsor lascannons, stormbolters x2 The Calculus of Battle indeed! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
momerathe Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I don't know how I feel about this. One the one hand the CT is fantastic and fits perfectly with the primaris mechanised infantry list I am (very, very slowly) painting. On the other hand, the internets have already declared IH the new hotness and you can expect a wholesale migration from Raven Guard. I liked them before they were cool, dammit! On the other other hand, the CT is probably a bit over-stacked, and would have been good even without the overwatch buff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 There was a great migration to the Iron Hands as the new hotness in 6th Efition too when our characters became nigh-unkillable and gave rise to the "Smash :cuss er." The true believers survived that event, we can survive this one. I'm just grateful that my heavily mechanized playstyle is better now than it was a year ago. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359750 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 I think the CTs are all solid, but I wouldn't put IH as top of the pack. UM's was good before now it applies to vehicles even more so, BT's looks quite tasty and Sallies probably takes the top spot comfortably? It's not like some people on the Internet saying something makes it so either If we're talking who wins the most improved then that would be a different matter :lol: As IFF says the weak will be naturally weeded out over time - only the strong remain Same in that my vehicles struggling to achieve results was unpleasant; now I can have much more reliability from them which will help them get into my lists Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Iron Hands are massive winners with these new Tactics. Easily some of the strongest. Hopefully they'll be major players on the tabletop once the Iron Father and dedicated supplament is released. I imagine there will be many ways of boosting durability of units even further. I'm theory the Ultras are strong but the negative modifiers really impact the units that disengage. Regular tanks like a Predator are easy to surround so they can't leave combat and if reduced to a lower bracket they might not be able to hit anything even if they get a chance to. The overwatch on a 5+ is more useful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted August 6, 2019 Author Share Posted August 6, 2019 I cconsider the Overwatch buff pure gravy. It's still better to charge than be charged in most instances because you get to strike first. I can build an army around FNP and damage chart mitigation; the Overwatch buff is incidental. As I'm thinking about it, I actually feel it'll be more useful on tanks than on infantry anyway. Something like my LRR or Vindicators will appreciate it more given their comparatively short ranges and the usual tactic of tying up vehicles in close combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Anything with lots of Dakka greatly benefits. I think Redemptors and Repulsors will not be attractive to charge, and especially as they maintain the top profile of performance for so long. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johanhgg Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Ive always felt that IH CT wasnt bad before but rather good, and now its even better. Happy days for my Iron Hands. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorNese Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 Finally it actually helps to have larger IH vehicles. Previously, the IH strat only buffed smaller vehicles (larger have PotMS), that didn't really make sense. Rolling the additional buffs into the existing FnP makes sense - the RG buff does more for resilience in the righ circumstances (instead of the fixed 1/6 decrease in incoming firepower), but both the damage bracket thing and the overwatch buff perfectly fit the fluff AND integrate with the playstyle. Which fits nicely with the Macrocarid AdMech-themed LandRaider I'm currently building. The overwatch buff on its own might be useful, but combine it with a Chapter Master buff and it racks up to a 55% hit chance. Dakka Redemptors for example will profit a lot from that, considering most opponents actually want to tie it up, even if they can't kill it in CC. Less so with the new tanks (fly -> fall back and shoot as normal), but there's enough CC-centered stuff out there to make it come into play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 "HELLO I AM AN IRON HANDS LEVIATHAN, PREPARE TO BEND THE OVER." Good God I am excite. As it should be brother! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5359949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
autek mor Posted August 6, 2019 Share Posted August 6, 2019 time to go through your imperial armour books and write shopping lists. hello landraider achilles.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5360041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 time to go through your imperial armour books and write shopping lists. hello landraider achilles.... Yeah if I was in GW finance, I would be kicking behinds to get IH contemptor and levi FW models ready lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5360366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Looking at what the other chapters have been given, I think it's fair to say that in the supplement we'll also likely get around 16 stratagems and our own librarius discipline. I'm all for that but apart from the forgefather, what else is going to be in that book? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5363432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 Looking at what the other chapters have been given, I think it's fair to say that in the supplement we'll also likely get around 16 stratagems and our own librarius discipline. I'm all for that but apart from the forgefather, what else is going to be in that book? Tenchomancy? You'll be looking at 16 Strats, 8 relics, 6 Warlord traits, 6 psychic powers, unique doctrine perks, lots of lore, Iron Father Maybe a unique upgrade or two for vehicles? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5364136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERJAK Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 I'm OoTL one Vendreads+Flesh is weak. Do they not stack and if so, why not? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5366259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Feel No Pain style extra saves after losing a wound were FAQ'd to only be allowed one, so for IH Ven Dreads they don't gain from the Chapter Tactic due to having the same roll as a unit (technically you pick one roll, but they're the same here). Page 1 of the rulebook FAQ here, centre right under "Page 181 – Ignoring Wounds" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5366284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bat33.1 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Is a named IH character going to be a step too far for the new book? I'm not sure why I've even asked that question lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357545-new-improved-flesh-is-weak/#findComment-5366399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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