Rodrick Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 any thoughts?, besides dreadnoughts and tanks, obvious winners. stormtalon/stormhawks seems a lot better with CT + doctrines, mobility and resilience . Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I have two Talons and a Hawk, and my main concern is that our durability buffs really shine with models that are inherently tough already. The Stormhawk is at least T7, but Talons are only T6 so most common anti-aircraft guns (S7, like the Icarus storm cannon frex) are wounding on 3+'s and can either ignore or counter the Supersonic targeting penalty. I'm going to keeping my aircraft on the shelf for now and test out majority T8 vehicles like LRs, Vindicators, and Ironclads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5375686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I've got a Stormhawk ready to be built for either the Grey Knights or Iron Hands. (A Grey Knights Stormhawk would look neat to me, but that's another discussion.) I am liking the Chapter synergy with the Stormhawk, but, like Ferrum, I'll probably leave the air support on the shelf for now until I can figure out exactly what the birds can do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5375727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomMarine Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I'm eyeing up a xiphon currently seems potentially devastating on turn 1/2 if you make it fire twice via strats Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5375880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
momerathe Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I'd like to give my Stormtalon another spin, though I want to see what's in our supplement first. Shooting at ground targets at 2+ with the stratagem will continue to be as good as it always was, and you can occasionally get firing angles on a backfield character or artillery unit. T6 is sad though. I had an idea ages ago for a themed air-assault list with flyers, 3x6 inceptors, and minimum scouts (they're the guys who call in the airstrike - i guess they'd be infiltrators now). It would be nice if it were good :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5375904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorNese Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I'm pretty likely to try dual Stormtalon in a few months - my IH successor only has Mechanicum models for vehicles (and IH contemptors if I can get some), and I see nothing better fitting the two Vultarax than the Stormtalon rules/model. So far, the rules are improved in some regard - devastator doctrine will improve the assault cannons significantly, FnP and almost no degrading profile will mean they get to do their job slightly longer, and the points were reduced slightly for some loadouts. It relies on the supplement if there's a way to build a list from that, but maybe we'll see that at the end of the year... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5375908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrick Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 besides the increased durability , stormtalons are a bit cheaper and a source of dual assault cannons , 12 f6 ap-1(-1) D1 , but yeah T6 vs new icarus weapons that deal D2 now sucks Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5376020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrick Posted September 10, 2019 Author Share Posted September 10, 2019 well, seems that stornhawks and stormtalons are crazy good now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5385812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
faithonwings Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Does the new relic work with flyers? I mean, can I park the base of a flyer within "3 of a model wearing the new relic and will it profit from the -1 to damage? It would be good for a turn 1 if not going first. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5385897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 yes, why wouldn't it? It's a flyer vehicle, and it's within 3" of the model carrying the relic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5385925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Should work, yeah. Not a terrible idea at all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5385927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERJAK Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Triple stormtalon, 9 land speeders, 6 land speeder storms with whatever flavor of scout you prefer. Ironhands gotta go FAST. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5386212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
faithonwings Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I own one stormhawk, I always felt it underpreform. It has to move so always hit's on 4's at best. The extra AP on first turn nice and I have played is as an ultramarines succesor, ignoring the movement penalty is always nice (at the cost of the extra AP) but still it felt like mediocre to me. With these chapter tactics it feels like I don't have to choose. Having 18 S5-6 shots on BS3+ rerolling 1's and AP-2 (plus some random stuff like extra -1 to get hit vs FLY units and +1 to hit vs FLY units and some S7 shot that never seem to hit) all for 159 points. I was looking into allternative Heavy weapons agains anti infantry. Point for point the stormhawk does seem like one of the better options to kill chaff. Better than TFC (stratagem nog included) and Quad Rappier Carriers. yes, why wouldn't it? It's a flyer vehicle, and it's within 3" of the model carrying the relic. do you measure the model to the hull of the flyer or just the base (or both) and never seem to rember. because if it is just the hull than it is not within 3" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5386282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrawlingCleaner Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 . yes, why wouldn't it? It's a flyer vehicle, and it's within 3" of the model carrying the relic. do you measure the model to the hull of the flyer or just the base (or both) and never seem to rember. because if it is just the hull than it is not within 3" As I understand bit aura is and charges are measured to base and shooting is measured to model Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5386299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorNese Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Everything except for LoS is measured from the base. Exceptions have a special rule that explicitly says to measure from the model's hull - see the Repulsor's "Hover Tank" rule. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5386305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 Hawk is a massive winner with Iron Hands. A no brainer, give it all the best guns. It maintains efficiency and is highly accurate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5386415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted September 11, 2019 Share Posted September 11, 2019 I own one stormhawk, I always felt it underpreform. It has to move so always hit's on 4's at best. The extra AP on first turn nice and I have played is as an ultramarines succesor, ignoring the movement penalty is always nice (at the cost of the extra AP) but still it felt like mediocre to me. With these chapter tactics it feels like I don't have to choose. Having 18 S5-6 shots on BS3+ rerolling 1's and AP-2 (plus some random stuff like extra -1 to get hit vs FLY units and +1 to hit vs FLY units and some S7 shot that never seem to hit) all for 159 points. I was looking into allternative Heavy weapons agains anti infantry. Point for point the stormhawk does seem like one of the better options to kill chaff. Better than TFC (stratagem nog included) and Quad Rappier Carriers. yes, why wouldn't it? It's a flyer vehicle, and it's within 3" of the model carrying the relic. do you measure the model to the hull of the flyer or just the base (or both) and never seem to rember. because if it is just the hull than it is not within 3" You always measure distances to and from the base, unless the model has no base, in which case it is measured to the hull. (but our flyers have a base) Exceptions are specifically pointed out for some specific models to measure to and from the hull, despite having a base (like the Repulsor...probably because the base is smaller than the actual footprint of the hull and trying to get your fat fingers and measuring tape in there would risk knocking models about) EDIT: Doh, Nese beat me to it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/357996-iron-hands-stormtalonhawk/#findComment-5386500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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