Bukimimaru Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I'm a bit puzzled at what exactly a Stalker Pattern Bolt Rifle is supposed to look like. The new codex is of no help, and even online sources are vague. After reading the new codex, it seems like the best choice for intercessors is to give them all Stalker Pattern Bolters as, the new Bolter Disciplines combined with the turn 1 devastator Docterine means our basic troops get 2x 36" S4, AP-3, 2 damage shots each. As far as I can see, that's our best option over the standard and auto versions (please let me know if I'm way off, I've not played in a long time) but my concern is that my models are all built with (what I assume) are the standard bolt rifles from the Dark Imperium set. Do I have to model my guns differently? My gaming group are all pretty chill about WYSIWYG rules, so I don't think they would mind, but I do plan on joining some local tournaments and I don't want it to be an issue. TLDR: Stalker Pattern Bolters - are they are good as I think and how should I model them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowmaster Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Stalker bolt rifles are built with scopes and straight magazines out of the intercessor kit. They do not get bolter discipline as they are not rapid fire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5379893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 Ah, I knew I must have been overlooking something. XD Thanks for the help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5379896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 The only distinction between the Bolt Rifle and the Stalker version, in model terms, is that Stalkers have a slightly bigger scope and a slightly smaller, squarer ammo magazine: To be honest, I think you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference at a glance on the tabletop anyway, so I wouldn't stress about it. That said, if you do decide to edit your models then the Stalker bits shown above are easy to come by on bits sites and eBay. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5379898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Stalkers are good but with only 1 shot that gets a -1 on the move they're not an auto-take. Their stratagem is really expensive and rapid fire is just devastating on regular bolt rifles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5379899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 Thanks guys, I think I'll be sticking to regular Bolt Rifles after all. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5379902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Thanks guys, I think I'll be sticking to regular Bolt Rifles after all. :) Consider the autos if you want tons of mobility. An extra shot is almost always better than one extra point of AP. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Thanks guys, I think I'll be sticking to regular Bolt Rifles after all. :)Consider the autos if you want tons of mobility. An extra shot is almost always better than one extra point of AP. Yeah, and there's a stratagem which lets Auto Bolt Rifles hit automatically under half range which is very tasty. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Sacrifice Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I've been running 5 stalkers in my backfield, really liking them. I seem to be staying in devastator doctrine for at least a couple of turns. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Just remember, they're also D2 now. It's cool to have a small backfield unit of them, but they're not an auto-take. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 An odd question, has anybody magnetized their intecessors' bolt rifles? And how? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Stalkers are very impressive at the moment and will hurt an opponent over the course of a game. Great range and there are plenty of 2W models for them to remove. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 The stratagem to make them auto hit is expensive, 1CP to make the detachment Indomitus Crusaders, 1CP to make a unit of Intercessors "veterans" then 1CP for the Bolt Storm stratagem. Yes they auto hit but for 3CP is it worth it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bukimimaru Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 I've got a game coming up tonight, my first in a very long time, and I'm going to stick 5 Stalker pattern guys high up on a backfield objective with a Phobos captain and the Marksman's Honour trait. They will be my sniper stand ins until I can get my hands on some Eliminators (my new favourite unit in the dex). I'll also run 2 squads of regular Bolt rifle guys for mid-field troops. Thanks for the help guys. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
quasistellar Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 An odd question, has anybody magnetized their intecessors' bolt rifles? And how? Theoretically just some tiny magnets should work fine, as the sections just slot into place. Idk of I’d bother with stalker and regular bolt rifles though. Honestly if you put me on the spot I'm not sure I could tell you which is which at a glance, aside from the auto bolt rifles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FelipeFlops Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 The stratagem to make them auto hit is expensive, 1CP to make the detachment Indomitus Crusaders, 1CP to make a unit of Intercessors "veterans" then 1CP for the Bolt Storm stratagem. Yes they auto hit but for 3CP is it worth it? Its only 2 CP. Its just a normal stratagem in the new codex now. No need for the special detachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380882 Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 You're right, forgot they'd changed it in the new Codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 The stratagem to make them auto hit is expensive, 1CP to make the detachment Indomitus Crusaders, 1CP to make a unit of Intercessors "veterans" then 1CP for the Bolt Storm stratagem. Yes they auto hit but for 3CP is it worth it? These are old and irrelevant rules. Refer to the new codex and FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
casb1965 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 See above ^^ it would've saved you a pointless post. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5380898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 The stratagem to make them auto hit is expensive, 1CP to make the detachment Indomitus Crusaders, 1CP to make a unit of Intercessors "veterans" then 1CP for the Bolt Storm stratagem. Yes they auto hit but for 3CP is it worth it? Its auto bolt rifles that auto hit for 2 cps, stalkers have the snipe characters one for 3 cps. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5381035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 The stratagem to make them auto hit is expensive, 1CP to make the detachment Indomitus Crusaders, 1CP to make a unit of Intercessors "veterans" then 1CP for the Bolt Storm stratagem. Yes they auto hit but for 3CP is it worth it? Its auto bolt rifles that auto hit for 2 cps, stalkers have the snipe characters one for 3 cps. For clarity and completion it's important to note that the sniper stalker strat also includes mortal wounds on wound rolls of 6+. I think that's a strat that can definitely help in a pinch but I would not suggest building a list or gameplan around using it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5381420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtleknife Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 An odd question, has anybody magnetized their intecessors' bolt rifles? And how? Yes I have. It is really easy. I use 0.5mmx1mm magnets. Only need one in each part. Once done it is plenty sturdy enough for the table top. It is best to do the drilling and inserting of the magnet whilst still attached to the sprue. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5381437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 We shouldn't just be comparing the weapon profiles but the function of the unit. Intercessors equipped with Stalkers are best deployed as a stationary objective holder in cover. They are very effective and durable this way, and the range is substantial. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5381453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 We shouldn't just be comparing the weapon profiles but the function of the unit. Intercessors equipped with Stalkers are best deployed as a stationary objective holder in cover. They are very effective and durable this way, and the range is substantial. Absolutely true. Do not underestimate the value of these shots re-rolling wounds against a target lit up by a certain Ultra relic ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5381530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatBrannigan Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Building a load of Intercessors at the moment (Some for Wolves, some for Imperial Fists) and keep swinging wildly between what to go for! Think a unit of 5 stalkers for each army and the rest as Standard Bolt Rifles? Or are people thinking the assault version are looking good now? Stalkers look really good for sure, especially with the Heavy Doctrine on in the first turn. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/358127-stalker-pattern-bolt-rifles/#findComment-5381589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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