Castellan Draco - Excommunicate Traitoris?

[Sword Brother Adelard]

So there's apparently something in the IF supplement which suggests Draco went and did something horrific and has been excommunicated...

 

Anyone got the book to tell us more?

Edited October 26, 2019 by Brother Adelard

[Medjugorje]

Maybe we will get squatted and GW will make us excommunicate traitoris ...

But it sounds very interesting.

[AlmightyWalrus]

If that happens it's clearly everyone else who s a traitor, not us.

[Bryan Blaire]

If that happens it's clearly everyone else who s a traitor, not us.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

That's a very Dark Angels/Unforgiven attitude of you right there. You can join up in Cell 42, a Chaplain will be there to greet you and give you your robe (btw, we like tabard too, so you can even keep that).

 

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That's a very interesting turn of events, Brother Adelard - don't have my copy of the Supplement yet, but if no one answers before I get it, I will report out as soon as I find the details.

[point_Zer0]

Found this on page 33
 

 

 

 

Yet Garadon journeys increasingly alone. 

When he glances about Phalanx’s muster halls, the Captain sees too many warriors who do not recall a time before the Cicatrix 

Maledictum tore the Imperium apart, and worries that he is steadily becoming the proud, embittered relic he deemed Lysander to be at their first meeting. 

War has taken too many of Garadon’s battle-brothers, his fellow Captains amongst them. Of his allies beyond the Chapter, Tycho was lost to the Black Rage 

on Armageddon; Sicarius is missing, swallowed by the tides of the Immaterium; Brasch perished in the firestorms of Ghola; and Draco was declared excommunicate 

traitoris for deeds too terrible to recount. 

Edited October 26, 2019 by point_Zer0

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Is there context which confirms that "Draco" there is the Castellan?

[Captain_Krash]

Wow this is crazy weird...I mean he worked with Inquisitors didn't he? Even gifted a sword...who the hell excommunicated him?

 

Krash

[point_Zer0]

Is there context which confirms that "Draco" there is the Castellan?

Yep. Ther's this on the same page

On many occasions he fought alongside Cato Sicarius of the Ultramarines, 

Colvane Brasch of the Invaders, Castellan Draco of the Black Templars and Erasmus Tycho of the Blood Angels,

 

 

[Sword Brother Adelard]

What did he do?!

[Bryan Blaire]

No joke, what are the details behind that!?

[Acebaur]

It's not our Draco. It's Jaq Draco, an inquisitor who went rogue and was declared a renegade. He also had worked with the Imperial Fists before which explains why Torgadon knows him.  Furthermore, our Draco was in the Vinculus Crusade which as we know was centuries ago. So Torgadon was not alive during that period and therefore could never have known our Draco.

[Schlitzaf]

It's not our Draco. It's Jaq Draco, an inquisitor who went rogue and was declared a renegade. He also had worked with the Imperial Fists before which explains why Torgadon knows him. Furthermore, our Draco was in the Vinculus Crusade which as we know was centuries ago. So Torgadon was not alive during that period and therefore could never have known our Draco.

It was our Draco, it was mentioned Draco was a mentor (Alongside Tycho, Sicarus and someone called Colvane Breach) to early Torgadon and that all 3 of his former mentors have been lost. Tycho to Blackrage, Sicarus to the lost to the warp itself, Brasch died in Gola, and Draco went traitor.

[redmapa]

Last time we heard of Draco he was killing humans that allied with the Tau but that was 6th ed.

 

Also Draco should be as old as Grimaldus as both are veterans of the Vinculus crusade, hell Helbrecht was a neophyte in that Crusade so it wasnt that long ago in Astartes years.

Edited October 26, 2019 by redmapa

[Mmmmm Napalm]

I don't think he necessarily intended to betray the Imperium/the Emperor. Perhaps he did something extremely drastic without justification?

[Sete]

We know golden boy sicarius makes it back.

 

Draco probably purged to hard.

Even so, its of no consequence. Its periferal fluff to an IF char.

[Brother Tyler]

It might only be peripheral lore for an Imperial Fists character, but it's momentous for the Black Templars. It puts to bed any notion that the Black Templars are somehow immune to corruption (not everyone subscribes to that notion, but enough Black Templars fans have voiced their support for it that official lore to the contrary settles the issue).

 

More importantly, if there is a Black Templars codex supplement or Index Astartes article, I hope that some light is shed on Castellan Draco's terrible deeds.

 

And now I might have to convert one of my Draco minis into a heretic. 

[Ciler]

Our supplement may actually expand on that. Also, being excommunicated doesn't mean you're a heretic, merely that you've pissed off an inquisitor which by all standards seems to be a relatively easy thing to do.

[Sete]

It might only be peripheral lore for an Imperial Fists character, but it's momentous for the Black Templars. It puts to bed any notion that the Black Templars are somehow immune to corruption (not everyone subscribes to that notion, but enough Black Templars fans have voiced their support for it that official lore to the contrary settles the issue).

 

More importantly, if there is a Black Templars codex supplement or Index Astartes article, I hope that some light is shed on Castellan Draco's terrible deeds.

 

And now I might have to convert one of my Draco minis into a heretic.

Nitpicking here, we dont know if he turned to chaos/ was currupted.

 

That blurb implies that he comited terrible deeds, probably used the codex as toilet paper, and Guilliman was deeply offended.

 

Hey at least GW is consistent. They keep killing of our dudes.

 

Almrich, now Draco. Wonder who is next.

Edited October 26, 2019 by Sete

[balordazul]

Wow this is a little wild and not the type of lore I was hoping to get added to 40k

[Sword Brother Adelard]

It may not even be that bad. Look at the Celestial Lions, all they did 'wrong' was tell everybody the Inquisition are Cussholes, and look what happened to them...

[Ciler]

Same with the relictors and (to an extent) soul drinkers

[Smirnov]

Yeah, because Soul Drinkers did nothing wrong. Obviously Spider Legs are a blessing from the Emperor. Obviously.

 

And I think this was GW idea of giving Draco a send-off as he's gone for good. As to reasons, I think it may have to do something with BT being non-compliant numbers-wise. Back in the day there was a special mission BT vs Inquisition (Sisters mostly) where BT had more points than Inquisition, but those points started in reserve and if BT player commited those reserves, he had to wipe out Inquisition, otherwise the survivor would tell the story.

Maybe the commander in question was Draco and he was excommunicated for killing a bunch of ordos.

[Marshal van Trapp]

Yeah, because Soul Drinkers did nothing wrong. Obviously Spider Legs are a blessing from the Emperor. Obviously.

 

I mean, technically the AdMech were trying to steal their most sacred relic and the CM entered into a ritualistic combat with the "traitor" that was said to have its outcome determined by the emperor himself so maybe the emperor blessed him those spider legs? Also last we heard from them didnt the remaining legion help the IF defeat some rogue dreadnought that was trying to take over the Phalanx?

[Acebaur]

 

It's not our Draco. It's Jaq Draco, an inquisitor who went rogue and was declared a renegade. He also had worked with the Imperial Fists before which explains why Torgadon knows him. Furthermore, our Draco was in the Vinculus Crusade which as we know was centuries ago. So Torgadon was not alive during that period and therefore could never have known our Draco.

It was our Draco, it was mentioned Draco was a mentor (Alongside Tycho, Sicarus and someone called Colvane Breach) to early Torgadon and that all 3 of his former mentors have been lost. Tycho to Blackrage, Sicarus to the lost to the warp itself, Brasch died in Gola, and Draco went traitor.

 

 

Ah yeah, I was going on only the blurb that at the bottom. 

[redmapa]

I dont know, I do kind of like this new development IF its the Inquisition doing its thing and the Chapter still having Draco's back. So like Sete said maybe Draco purged too hard, maybe some Inquisitorial assets were destroyed and Draco was declared a Traitor, I find it interesting and I was already flufflng my Primaris Crusade to be a force sent to Draco as a reinforcement/investigation into his status.  We have had brushes with the Inquisition before but nothing this directly and aggressive towards the Chapter and its even more interesting considering Draco was honored by an Inquisitor before.

 

I do hope we get more information on this.