morsla Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I'm running a unit with shotguns, but it still feels like a hard sell compared to Stormbolters for a single point more. Stalker boltguns are great. They don't fit with the way I usually prefer to deploy and use Veteran units, but I have a combat squad of them to sit back and hold objectives with. infyrana 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobius0288 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I have both as well. Shotguns are sweet in minimum sized unit and pair well with frags - disembark, advance and shoot. I would agree that it is not my top choice but its a fun little unit. Stalkers are pretty awesome and have quite a bit of synergy with heavy bolters, infernus heavy bolters and missile launchers. Or just take a unit of 5 for back field camping. The range is great and makes it more ideal for anti-infantry support since it's the 2 shots @ 1 dmg. If you want something that can move and shot, but still have AP punch, the Intercessors with an aggressor can perform a similar roll. IMO, the stalker is better because that's more dice at an overall cheaper price. infyrana 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infyrana Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 When I finally get around to building them (backburner atm), I was interested in making two (not just the usual one) 6-man units of stalker pattern with HB or ML etc. I've enough other marines for the SS/SB unit as well as a dozen more to be magnetized for some shotguns and FCs as they look ace on the DW marines. I have some of the ETB primaris models from conquest and 3 more frag/bolt aggressors so I can do a limited intergressor or interblaster squad. But this wasnt my preference, just there as a backup. Mobius0288 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrinNfool Posted December 5, 2019 Author Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) I like stalker squads, I got some reasonable mileage out of them when the gun was 4 points, so down 3 points ea. should make them quite points efficient. I usually just shoved them in cover somewhere in the middle of my deployment with good sight lines, and include 2-3 guys holding storm shields for a 2+/3++ unit thats annoying to displace. Occasionally throw in a term with cyclone just to add in some AV. Think that squad went down 23 points now. As for shotguns.... I think they should be free, and even then they would see minimal use. Losing out on 2 SIA shots at the range they function. On top of that for 1 point more you can get a storm bolter. They have some fringe uses I suppose reasonable gun to give to a squad that is expecting to be w/ in 8" range of the enemy and advancing to do so (frags/sometimes infernus), and gives extra anti charge insurance. Not that anyone ever wants to charge a squad with 2 frags anyways... Only other way I see shotguns being useful is part of some combat squad amalgamation split that is sending a couple vets with VVs and terms expecting to see close combat, as they would sorta function act as a charge deterrent, w/o costing the 20 points of a frag. Giving one to a blackshield or normal vet splitting off with that group might be reasonable. They are just very niche weapons. Not necessarily bad just not great. Its fire mode options need a tune up when compared to SIA IMO. Crypt clearer = ok but SIA bolter would be better except between 12"-16" and if you are having to advance to get in range to shoot a frag or get on an obj. Wyrmsbreath = hand flamer +1" range for 7" and not pistol this is fine, not great, but its an ok option in a pinch. Xenopurge = With the rise of marines and all the primaris out there this one strangely finds some use by virtue of the ap-1 at 8" or less range making it 2 damage. But unless you are fighting a lot of multiwound or FNP t3/4 enemies its pretty specific in its use. I think they could polish the shotgun up to reasonable usage if they made a couple minor changes. Give crypt clearer + 1 str at half range, OR give it ap -1. Make wyrmsbreath ap -1 OR let it reroll failed wounds. For Xenopurge give same treatment as crypt clearer, either AP-2 OR +1 str at half range. That would at least make it more competitive with the boltgun at that range 2 shots wounding on 2s or ap-2 (free) or the SB at that range 4 shots wounding on 2s or ap-2(1 point more) Having to compete with SIA necessitates the weapon function a little better than it does current to see much use. Its one of what, 4 weapons unique to DW and its probably the least functional weapon with hvy thunderhammer being 18 points now. Edited December 5, 2019 by GrinNfool xenomortis and infyrana 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomortis Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 A stalker squad is usually the first Troops choice on any list I run. Typically I run: 5 stalkers 1 heavy bolter 1 missile launcher They get somewhere with good LoS, the stalkers good at chipping away at screening infantry and the HB and ML excellent for the mortal wound stratagems. I often pair them with a TLLC/ML ven dread and a Watch Master as a back field castle infyrana 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainely Wargamming Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Anyone planning on running 25 man biker squads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 (edited) Tw... Twenty Fff.. Five? Man! OMG please! I only have 10 :( Edited December 9, 2019 by Black_Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainely Wargamming Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 the new CA is all messed up. It lists models per unit in a Deathwatch squad, for bikers, at 25. Expect a faq. Until then, go forth and rev your engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobius0288 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 I just want to do it once Can I borrow some bikers guys? Xisor and Mr4Minutes 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morsla Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Will anyone field a Thunder Hammer smash captain now? I only just built mine :D Still tempted to run him with Castellan of the Black Vault: 5 attacks on the charge dealing 4D each could make a lot of difference to a list that struggles to put down enemy vehicles. Did Frag Cannons come down in points as well? They've been mentioned in a couple of places, but weren't listed in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr4Minutes Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 I’m actually thinking of running him with TH and a SB instead of SS. He’s till a homing missile and it’s 2cp to fight twice when he dies. Right now we’re paying the C:SM cost without any of the great CC buffs they get. So if we get a good boost in PA it’ll be worth the points. Other wise maybe not. I don’t think it’s worth burning our one warlord trait in Castellan for the 4D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Did Frag Cannons come down in points as well? They've been mentioned in a couple of places, but weren't listed in this thread. It's there just hidden between the other changes: Deathwatch Frag Cannon - 5 to 20 morsla and Prot 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobius0288 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 PSA - Battlescribe was updated with most of the changes. Begin the list adjustments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Trinity Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Has anyone got a list of the points changed or a link to the pdf of chapter approved? I don't have battlescribe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Battlescribe has errors on the equipment, still has Assault Bolters at 2, Priamris Stalkers at 1 and not 0, Normal Bolters still at 1, Combat shields still at 4. EDIT: Actually I am seeing 10+ errors so far, I think DW was missed. Probably still need to wait a few days. Edited December 10, 2019 by Black_Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Just checked the thread in the rumours section and it seems that DW are indeed unedited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kolgrim DeathHowl Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 25 Bikers sounds crazy lol!! I've always wanted to make an Inquisitor on a bike even if I couldn't play with it just to make, still plan on it when I find a good way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Trinity Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Does anyone have a copy of chapter approved who can confirm the changes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irbis Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 25 Bikers sounds crazy lol!! I've always wanted to make an Inquisitor on a bike even if I couldn't play with it just to make, still plan on it when I find a good way to do it. Well, you could use Karamazov rules for attack bike with Multi-melta, no? About same size, thought you would need to bulk up height a bit. GSC have very nice bikes, you can just replace torso with Inquisitor one, add side seat, and call it a day... Kolgrim DeathHowl 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) Did the assault bolters go up 2 points? It says they are 16 for two in Battlescribe. Also when did we loose the ability to put Terminators in Drop pods? I missed that one. Edited December 11, 2019 by Black_Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Trinity Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Cheers Xenomortis! Don't suppose anyone knows if there have been any changes to the leviathan dreadnought points? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Only the Dreadnought Melee Weapon has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xenomortis Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Of the night, I do indeed! Dreadnought: 175 Cyclonic melta lance: 60 Storm cannon array: 50 Grav flux bombard: 65 Leviathan siege claw (single/pair): 20/30 Leviathan siege drill (single/pair): 30/40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Knight Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Ah sorry I didn't register the leviathan part of the question above -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Danse Macabre Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I'm I reading this right or are stalker pattern Bolters for veteran squads now only 1 point? I've got a 77 point gap and this could prove invaluable, it's either that or deep striking shotguns. :p infyrana 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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