Medjugorje Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) Assuming that Devout Push works the way it has been hypothesized in this thread, wouldn't that mean that we can guarantee that a unit can get in from Deep Strike, assuming it's 9.000...1 inches away from the enemy? Deep Strike, pile in 3", consolidate 6" and you're in combat directly from Deep Strike bypassing Overwatch. Possible return of the Thunder Hammer/Storm Shield Terminators with a vengeance? You can splurge a lot of CP on further stratagems (+1 to hit, stopping fallbacks, fight again, and so on) to make the Terminators be a real headache for the enemy. thats not how it works. You can immediatly pile in 3" - And just by consolidation you can move 6". At the start of the fight phase (doesnt matter if you already in close combat or not) you can make a "pile in" move of 3". Later if you choose the unit to fight with you can again pile in the 3" but after the unit fought you can move up to 6" as consolidation. It means for a consolidation move you must activate to fight which is not automaticly made by "devot push". Its just a pile in move of 3". Edited January 29, 2020 by Medjugorje Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmightyWalrus Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 But it CAN still be used to bypass Overwatch and to pseudo-charge after running assuming you manage to get within 3", right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 But it CAN still be used to bypass Overwatch and to pseudo-charge after running assuming you manage to get within 3", right? yes - correct. But remeber then you havent charged. (means you can attack another unit if you fight twice but not recieve +1 attack). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydonianDragoon404 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 (edited) And losing any other bonuses associated with charging. I personally wouldnt do this against any unit that could potentially interrupt for 2cp and really fight back. I think the risk of that is too high. Edited January 26, 2020 by SydonianDragoon404 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Remember that you can still attack with that unit if it makes combat. Not charging only loses you the attack and the strikes first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirJyo Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 My question would be since I don't see it specified in the rules, can a pile in be performed with devout push even if at a deep-strike distance? Not seeing a rule stating a pile in always has to conclude with a unit touching another one. The Templar unit would be standing awkwardly in the open, but then gets to consolidate 6 at the end of the round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 You can indeed use Devout Push to pile in, but then you're still 6 inches away and still can't activate, which means you can't consolidate. Medjugorje 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 My question would be since I don't see it specified in the rules, can a pile in be performed with devout push even if at a deep-strike distance? Not seeing a rule stating a pile in always has to conclude with a unit touching another one. The Templar unit would be standing awkwardly in the open, but then gets to consolidate 6 at the end of the round. look to my post #76. gang_chong 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 My question would be since I don't see it specified in the rules, can a pile in be performed with devout push even if at a deep-strike distance? Not seeing a rule stating a pile in always has to conclude with a unit touching another one. The Templar unit would be standing awkwardly in the open, but then gets to consolidate 6 at the end of the round. You cant consolidate if you don't fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 Is there anything stopping you from using Devout Push on a unit which charged? Not for the pile in advantage, but to consolidate 6inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 Is there anything stopping you from using Devout Push on a unit which charged? Not for the pile in advantage, but to consolidate 6inches. Nope, you absolutely can! Note that Canticles of Hate gives the same 6" though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 Oh yeah, The problem with my recent tactics is that I have a unit of Vanguard deployed alongside the chaplain with canticles and a Marshal with Field Commander. They all advance together, plus 1 each to advance, then the Vanguard pop the pistols and charge strat with a +3. However, this usually leaves the vanguard out of canticles range after they charge, fight and pile in, as the Chaplain and Marshal can't charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) You could also consider Devout Push on the Chaplain to get him back in range. Same movement for the Vets, but might leave him in a better position in some cases. Does Frontline Commander stack with Canticle? I thought Canticle forbids stacking. Edited February 3, 2020 by Hymnblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted February 3, 2020 Author Share Posted February 3, 2020 (edited) You could also consider Devout Push on the Chaplain to get him back in range. Same movement for the Vets, but might leave him in a better position in some cases. Does Frontline Commander stack with Canticle? I thought Canticle forbids stacking. Oh, you're right, bugger. I also didn't notice that canticles adds 3" to the pile in as well. That litany is awesome! Edited February 3, 2020 by Brother Adelard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 You could also consider Devout Push on the Chaplain to get him back in range. Same movement for the Vets, but might leave him in a better position in some cases. Does Frontline Commander stack with Canticle? I thought Canticle forbids stacking. Other options include making him a MoS and giving him the litany of aura range or the Crusader Helm, depending on your list. Though I think an MoS is better served with the Breviary as you want to make sure those litanies go off and it's strictly better than the MoS WLT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sword Brother Adelard Posted February 4, 2020 Author Share Posted February 4, 2020 We've been playing an odd little campaign where we were restricted to one relic and one WL trait. I took the Helm on a MoS. That restriction is gone now however, but still no named characters. It has really highlighted however just how reliant we are as an army on our relics, traits and characters for full synergy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ado Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 We've been playing an odd little campaign where we were restricted to one relic and one WL trait. I took the Helm on a MoS. That restriction is gone now however, but still no named characters. It has really highlighted however just how reliant we are as an army on our relics, traits and characters for full synergy. I think that's what all armies should be about - synergy between numerous elements. It helps sort out the best generals. Unfortunately in the new IH meta these synergies are just OP as they are too easy to stack with no decent restrictions. I've come to the conclusion that I think we as a whole are well balanced. It's just some of the other marine armies aren't, and we still have less stuff (strats and SI wargear). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medjugorje Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 hmm - I dont like it but that is true for all space marines except Iron Hands because they have their reroll bubble in their doctrine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I think this thread has run it's course as it was about the FAQ that has been out for some time now. Let's discuss strategy in other threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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