War Angel Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 I know it sucks that your casual list has been nerfed because of the actions of tournament players; but that’s not truly what happened. The developers said that they didn’t want people to sit in one docterine all game, they wanted it to be mobile. tychobi 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5484148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel_danes Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 As an Ultramarine player for 25+ years,now solely Primaris since thier release I have enjoyed the Doctrine system. The flexibility it has brought my forces has allowed for more variety in my games. I'm not simply waiting to lose. I readily admit to camping in the Tactical phase turn 2 on, seeing no reason to leave it. This new ruling forcing us to cycle through the stages is good, it will shake up my list building and bring new interactions to my games. Accounting for late game assault dominance is a welcome challenge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5484204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 This hurts me against my most frequent opponent (my wife). Her Blood Angels want to get to Assault ASAP and she runs very character heavy lists. My Raven Guard are going to have a hard time against her now. Not that they weren't already, but still. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5484334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Augustus Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 It's certainly fair to say that the developers didn't intend for the players to lock in whatever doctrine was best for them but they surely wouldn't take away the option unless it was causing problems. --there were definitely problems-- It's also fair to be annoyed when your toys get taken away. To be %100 clear i believe something had to be done and the solutions that GW presented were probably the most elegant because of there sweeping and simple nature. Those solutions do make my IH landspeeders (which i love for no good reason) a lot less rad :( all in all it's no biggie, I've been playing those speeders since 3rd ed and I'll keep doing so but I was enjoying them being kinda good for the first time:) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5484476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo1701 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Is it ok to discuss other marine faq changes here? Couldn’t see another thread on it. Am I the only one who feels chapter master should have gone back up to 3 cp as it’s so widely used? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5484987 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 The only issue I really have with this is I've just converted up a "command squad" of Veteran Intercessors with Stalker Rifles to accompany my Iron Hands Successor Chapter Master. Guess I'm not getting mobile sniper rifles now. Oh well. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I've never used it at 2 CP. Sure wouldn't at 3 CP. BLACK BLΠFLY and Panzer 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I really think if you take a CM you automatically gain three command points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 I suppose the math could work that way, but as a DIY Chapter, Master Artisan does everything I need. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 That is so good for MSU . Dracos 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 The only issue I really have with this is I've just converted up a "command squad" of Veteran Intercessors with Stalker Rifles to accompany my Iron Hands Successor Chapter Master. Guess I'm not getting mobile sniper rifles now. Oh well. I mean, you still could. With full rerolls, hitting on 4s is only about 15% worse than hitting on 3s. Lord_Caerolion 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 It's not even that bad considering he's rolling a Chapter Master with them. Reroll all hits right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 It's usually wiser to reroll all misses. ;) BLACK BLΠFLY, Kallas, Othniel's Blade and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Huh, that part had completely slipped my mind. Even rolling Master Artisans (and Warded) for the Chapter Tactics. Crisis averted, folks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 It's usually wiser to reroll all misses. ;) Lol Yeah I’ve been fishing for Mortal Wounds with Eliminators a lot recently. Should have been “to hit” :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 Is it ok to discuss other marine faq changes here? Couldn’t see another thread on it. Am I the only one who feels chapter master should have gone back up to 3 cp as it’s so widely used? I think you’ve had a little too much to drink there buddy, let’s get you a cab. Panzer and BLACK BLŒ FLY 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 It's usually wiser to reroll all misses. ;) Lol Yeah I’ve been fishing for Mortal Wounds with Eliminators a lot recently. Should have been “to hit” :) That's usually a terrible idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 You do what you have to when fighting Guilliman and two Helvrerins at 500 pts with a Primaris list sans plasma. BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/362264-astartes-doctrinal-rule-changes/page/3/#findComment-5485626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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