jaxom Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 First off, congratulations Black Templars! They may not be Crusader Squads, but the new models really look like they were designed with BT in mind. Assault Intercessors Lieutenant with Volkite Pistol, Storm Shield, and Power Weapon (sheathed) The lieutenant will do as lieutenants do, but how are people thinking about using the new Intercessors? I can only assume they'll still be troops and that the Sergeants will have the normal Intercessor options. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Assault intercessors are "Close Support" given by the symbol on their right shoulder pad, but I too think their game role might be troops, rather than fast attack or elite. I don't know if i'll replace all my bolt rifle primaris marines with sword ones, an even mix sounds right. Also, while the Lieutenant is just a lieutenant, we also have enough evidence that we're also getting a 3 man squad version of the shield marines that I presume are going to be veterans. Another leaked picture we can see one of them (in UM colour) with a white helm signifiying veteran status, as was there one where you could see 3 side by side. HighMarshalAmp 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 There’s a new picture that’s been found with five (3 white helm vets, the LT seen here) and the captain (or librarian? With blue helm) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Another leaked picture we can see one of them (in UM colour) with a white helm signifiying veteran status, as was there one where you could see 3 side by side. Really? Where? FInally Primaris start looking a little more seasones right out of the box... About using the Assault Intercessors... They need to get into Melee to make the most of what they got (wether anything about the fihgt phase will be changed in 9th remains to be seen) so depending on the Chapter you play, either transport them to the front asap or DS them in to wreak havoc on anything you can bring down by volume of fire alone. That's what, 4 attacks per model on the charge? Umm... Seems pretty average to me, but hey, finally any melee loving Chapters aren't as screwed anymore - they gain one S4 AP0 D1 attack per model, ain't that a real game changer BA Death Company Assault Intercessors with a Sanguinary Priest tagging along have just become 10 dice more scary tho... Frankly, the Shield Lt is the real winner here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) Another leaked picture we can see one of them (in UM colour) with a white helm signifiying veteran status, as was there one where you could see 3 side by side. Really? Where? Right here.... The picture's contents are: 10 Assault Intercessors (likely two squads) 3 of the Sword & Board guys Lieutenant with Sword & Board Captain with Sword & Board 3 Primaris Outriders (Bikers) 3 Hellfuries (gonna call them that until they get officially named) a new Ancient New chaplain Judicar (the Chaplain sword guy) the playester in the Discord I'm in said this about the swordguy "Chaplain": "he is like a Primaris champion and not a chaplain He is called the Judicar And he is a beast It’s an elite choice not an HQ And makes an enemy unit fight last" So yes. This is the Assault Wave Edited May 23, 2020 by Gederas HighMarshalAmp and Oxydo 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hymnblade Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I wonder if that image is the contents of the 9e version of Dark Imperium? About using the Assault Intercessors... They need to get into Melee to make the most of what they got (wether anything about the fihgt phase will be changed in 9th remains to be seen) so depending on the Chapter you play, either transport them to the front asap or DS them in to wreak havoc on anything you can bring down by volume of fire alone. That's what, 4 attacks per model on the charge? Umm... Seems pretty average to me Yeah, this is what I worry about. If they have no other special rules, a heavy bolt pistol and a chainsword is... kind of meh. If I want a bunch of S4 AP0 hits, trading 3 auto bolt rifle shots for one extra chainsword attack isn't a great deal. Hopefully I'm wrong, and Assault Intercessors do have some kind of special rule, or a better chainsword than the usual profile, or at least are just several points cheaper than regular Intercessors. And maybe the core rules for 9e will just make a dedicated CC unit more attractive somehow. But under 8e rules, paying 17 points per model for a Reiver without deep strike sounds very underwhelming. HighMarshalAmp 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 A lot of good points. Generic space marine foot sloggers are most likely going to be better with a bolter or similar weapon. I'm going to assume they're 17 points for the moment. 170 points for 10 or 85 for 5 plus some for a sergeant weapon (if they can take one). That's 41 or 21 attacks (assuming they're just normal chainswords). Put 5 in a Repulsor with Captain, Lieutenant, and the three man Veteran unit. That payload actually makes maximizing Repulsor transport options attractive to me. What about White Scars? Hang a full squad back and then Advance and Charge on turn 3 in Assault Doctrine? 41 Str 4 2D attacks is rather nice. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighMarshalAmp Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) Another leaked picture we can see one of them (in UM colour) with a white helm signifiying veteran status, as was there one where you could see 3 side by side. Really? Where? Right here.... [...] So yes. This is the Assault Wave Thank you! Man... I thought a confiremd Melta unit would settle me on Salamanders for my Primaris army and all of a sudden, Templars are back in the race... wasn't expecting that... Edited May 23, 2020 by HighMarshalAmp Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I'm guessing the shield guys will be basically Victrix Honor Guard, but for everybody rather than just for Ultramarines? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Assault intercessor sergeant has a plasma pistol.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Also, that 9things to like about 9th edition said “chainswords are back” now that obviously is a refrence to the models having chainswords, but what if it also references chainswords being something more than just +1 attack.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 I’d happily pay 15 points per model if the chainswords were just normal chainswords. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I’d happily pay 15 points per model if the chainswords were just normal chainswords. M2 points cheaper cause they don’t have the awesome bolt rifles? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 As a Raven Guard Successor, I've been using 2 - 5 man Intercessor squads to deliver Thunder Hammer sergeants. If these Assault Intercessors have that same option, then I'll be replacing the old with these guys. Greta if they are cheaper but fine with a similar cost ... because ... I could be very wrong, but the Assault Intercessors pistols do not look like standard bolt pistols to me. I was thinking they might be the heavy bolt pistols Reivers use but could be wrong. Bikes. Wow love the way they look but unless they have a heavy weapon not sure they'll enhance a Raven Guard army in an appreciable way. I'll love to be wrong about this. Hellfires? Gravis Meltas. Please yes. Perfect for Raven Guard. Aggressors for the chaff and Hellfires for the monster/vehicles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddlesworth Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I'd expect the Intercessor chainsword to be different to just +1A when reivers and incursors exist in the primaris line. Perhaps an additional point of AP. Super stoked for the hellfuries. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5526992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 Hellfuries (gonna call them that until they get officially named) Makes sense to me. The Ultramarines supplement did mention them, after all: The 8th and 9th Companies consist respectively of one hundred close support battle brothers, and one hundred fire support battle brothers. The Ultramarines being as strategically adroit as they are, the warriors of these companies are swiftly and efficiently cycled through the varying squad roles that each company offers, be it from Eliminator to Hellblaster to Hellfury in the 9th Company or Incursor to Inceptor in the 8th Company. Sounds to me like them making an early reference to an upcoming unit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5527004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 As a Raven Guard Successor, I've been using 2 - 5 man Intercessor squads to deliver Thunder Hammer sergeants. If these Assault Intercessors have that same option, then I'll be replacing the old with these guys. Greta if they are cheaper but fine with a similar cost ... because ... I could be very wrong, but the Assault Intercessors pistols do not look like standard bolt pistols to me. I was thinking they might be the heavy bolt pistols Reivers use but could be wrong. Bikes. Wow love the way they look but unless they have a heavy weapon not sure they'll enhance a Raven Guard army in an appreciable way. I'll love to be wrong about this. Hellfires? Gravis Meltas. Please yes. Perfect for Raven Guard. Aggressors for the chaff and Hellfires for the monster/vehicles. They look like heavy bolt pistols, the same as Reivers, which would make sense if they're a close support squad which switches between Incursor - Reiver - Assault Intercessor. The chainsword, because nothing says stealth no longer matters like revving a 115 decibel weapon. I'd expect the Intercessor chainsword to be different to just +1A when reivers and incursors exist in the primaris line. Perhaps an additional point of AP. Super stoked for the hellfuries. Maybe? That's the on thing that leaves so much up in the air. Are we looking a simple, cheap(ish), basic unit for close combat or are we looking at a unit that's meant to compete with the really hard-hitting melee units? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5527021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 As a Raven Guard Successor, I've been using 2 - 5 man Intercessor squads to deliver Thunder Hammer sergeants. If these Assault Intercessors have that same option, then I'll be replacing the old with these guys. Greta if they are cheaper but fine with a similar cost ... because ... I could be very wrong, but the Assault Intercessors pistols do not look like standard bolt pistols to me. I was thinking they might be the heavy bolt pistols Reivers use but could be wrong. Bikes. Wow love the way they look but unless they have a heavy weapon not sure they'll enhance a Raven Guard army in an appreciable way. I'll love to be wrong about this. Hellfires? Gravis Meltas. Please yes. Perfect for Raven Guard. Aggressors for the chaff and Hellfires for the monster/vehicles. They look like heavy bolt pistols, the same as Reivers, which would make sense if they're a close support squad which switches between Incursor - Reiver - Assault Intercessor. The chainsword, because nothing says stealth no longer matters like revving a 115 decibel weapon. Maybe? That's the on thing that leaves so much up in the air. Are we looking a simple, cheap(ish), basic unit for close combat or are we looking at a unit that's meant to compete with the really hard-hitting melee units? Shhhh the Invictor Warsuit pilots might here you Suspect the Assault Intercessor will be cheapish considering the sword and board guys being released also. At least I really hope so. I'd love to use them (with a Thunder Sergeant) with my Raven Guard Successor as my auxilary reserve force. Holding them back until Turn 3 would mean making a choice between staying in the Tactical Doctrine or moving to Assault. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5527038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 So the symbol that each and every model in that picture has, what could that be? I feel these assault intercessors are going to be more than just intercessors with chain swords and heavy bolt pistols. That symbol does something. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5527056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 I wonder if it’s the assault version of the auto-reliquary? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5527089 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I wonder if it’s the assault version of the auto-reliquary? What’s an auto reliquary? It’s on the gravis models as well.... which, they seem odd to be in gravis and only have at one melta gun.... slightly larger melta gun?AP5? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5527118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 So the symbol that each and every model in that picture has, what could that be? I feel these assault intercessors are going to be more than just intercessors with chain swords and heavy bolt pistols. That symbol does something. My guess its a crusade icon. Crusade will hold not just marines, but sisters and inquisitors etc too. That's my guess anyway... its part of the "Themed armies" they were going on about Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5527127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Angel Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Oh, that’s interesting. I’ll probably be removing those then Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5527258 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaxom Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 I wonder if it’s the assault version of the auto-reliquary? What’s an auto reliquary? It’s on the gravis models as well.... which, they seem odd to be in gravis and only have at one melta gun.... slightly larger melta gun?AP5? "An Absolutis ballistic-appeasement autoreliquary allows for autosanctification of Bolt Weaponry in combat." It's the dangly thing all the first-wave Primaris infantry had between their legs. Maybe it's this new device allows for the automatic removal of blood from their eye lenses? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5527271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 gravis with meltas, will only get fielded if the meltas have range. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/364079-making-use-of-new-primaris-units/#findComment-5527327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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