9th edition implications for the GK

[Valerian]

We've got the details for the changes to our Vehicles now.

 

 

[Seizeman]

Those rules seem quite decent.

 

Being able to shoot in combat looks pretty balanced. You can only shoot  the unit you are in combat with and  you get -1 to hit. Your other units still can't shoot that unit, so you have to ponder whether is better to stay and shoot with the vehicle or fall back (if possible). It will help those vehicles not getting tarpitted by grots or swarms or stuff like that.

 

On the new heavy rules, most tank-centered armies (imperial guard, eldar, space marines) already ignored that penalty, so this will mainly help walkers and monsters, which is great, as they are really bad right now.

 

Both rules are very favorable to GMNDKs (and dreadnoughts, I suppose), so hopefully we'll see them being  playable again in 9th

[casb1965]

We've got the details for the changes to our Vehicles now.

 

 

 

Have to prioritise those in combat with you (or as they say "Engagement Eange") so no shooting out of combat until all enemies in Engagement range are killed.

 

Intersting to read later on that it is only infantry now that suffer the -1 to hit when moving with Heavy weapons.

[Captain Coolpants]

Is it just me. Or is this far longer and more words than it really should be?

 

Could be because I've been staring at a computer screen all day in work, but I really struggled to read that coherently

Edited June 9, 2020 by Captain Coolpants

[Corvus Fortis]

It is simpier than it seems at the first glance. They just had to specifically resolve some problems, which could be raised when shooting in combat. In short, you can shoot in CC you are in, but you will suffer -1 to-hit. In addition, you can decalre other weapons to shoot at any other units, but this will work only if you kill the one you are in combat with first.

[Valerian]

When I first posted the link to the article, it did not yet mention the bit about only Infantry now suffering the -1 to Hit when moving and firing a Heavy weapon. Really glad they’ve made that change; I felt it should have been that way all along in 8th. Both of these changes give a huge boost to Vehicles and Monsters in 9th. I’m stoked about any buffs that I can get for my GMNDKs.

[WAR]

I still think terminators should be immune to the movement/ shooting penalty

[Valerian]

Blast weapon update. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/10/having-a-blastgw-homepage-post-1/

[Corvus Fortis]

We don't have much weapons, which can become blast. I really hope, that they will add this rule to incinerators (or similar). We don't use frag grenades much, because of SBs. 

 

Maybe, stuff on Stormravens and Stormhawks will benifit form it?

[Captain Coolpants]

Heavy psycannons used to be blast, so they might get it back, and they said flamers won't be blast either.

[Seizeman]

They said everything that has a range, doesn't automatically hit and has random number of shots will be blast. That's missiles on a stormraven and nothing else (well, and grenades against 11+ units with T3). It's a buff to librarians, at least :)

[Valerian]

I’m glad Incinerators and Heavy Flamers aren’t going to be Blast; they’ll be too much fun to use when shooting in melee

[Corvus Fortis]

Heavy psycannons used to be blast, so they might get it back, and they said flamers won't be blast either.

 

 

It would be a nerf, unless they go to 2d6, which is unlikely.

[Valerian]

Cover, Terrain, and LOS: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/11/terrain-rules-and-line-of-sightgw-homepage-post-1/

[Corvus Fortis]

Now you can receive cover in close combat? Cerainly, close combat was too powerful and gunlines needed some buffs. 

[Seizeman]

Penalty in close combat is only for heavy cover. Ruins and containers aren't heavy cover, so heavy cover probably refers only to solid barricades when attacking from one side to the other, meaning it will be absolutely irrelevant in competitive play.

 

Meanwhile,  having the benefit of cover just for being behind an obstable without needing to be on top of it is absolutely huge for grey knights.

Edited June 11, 2020 by Seizeman

[Captain Coolpants]

Now that tanks can shoot in combat, cover in combat might not be so bad.

[Valerian]

Now you can receive cover in close combat? Cerainly, close combat was too powerful and gunlines needed some buffs.

The Heavy Cover rule actually benefits the melee-focused unit, not the Shooting unit. You don’t get the benefit of the cover if the model making the attack made a Charge move this turn, so the melee dudes charging in get the benefit of cover to their saves when the charged unit hits back, but the unit getting charged get no advantage. This hurts the gunline.

[Valerian]

Now that tanks can shoot in combat, cover in combat might not be so bad.

Since it’s still shooting, the Heavy Cover rule won’t help, but Light Cover still will.

[Corvus Fortis]

I am not really concerned, because we are legally able to customize terrain as we see it fit. No LoS on first floor homerule proved to be very good and new rules are even better. 

[Skywrath]

This is a good improvement, assuming they aren't tinkering around with our Tides of Shadow. Well, time to put that idea of getting the LR Vortimer-Redeemer into action.

[Valerian]

Today's update on Flyers:  https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/12/taking-flightgw-homepage-post-1/

[Corvus Fortis]

Didn't notice anything special. But virtually DSing a plane is nice, of course. Without suffering from "heavy" our light planes can see more play. And with strategic reserves, we can hide SR turn 1, assuring that it shoots all of its weapons at least once. Still don't see it as a competitive option for now.

[Skywrath]

Box-set got released. I really wanted to believe that there would be something for us - apparently not.

[Trollbeard]

Some of those characters would be good for conversions, but that’s it at this point it seems.