9th Edition: Reflections and Predictions for AM

[jaxom]

No, because that’s not a triggered rule.

[duz_]

Whilst building my sentinels trying to figure the best weapon for them in 9th came back to the multi laser vs autocannon conundrum of 8th

 

Decision is easy now though apparently the multi laser is one of the cheapest vehicle weapons at 5pts vs AC of 15 so I guess it'll come down to how many pts I have

3x S6 shots at a constant BS4+ isn't terrible

[GuardDaddy]

Started this as predictions thread - its getting pretty mammoth!

 

Suggest ADMIN that we lock it now - other threads as we are discussing actual reality now pts and rules are available.

 

ALSO - do I get a prize for posting first 9th edition pts ARMY LIST.....

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365149-9th-edition-foot-guard/

[Shamansky]

 

 

ALSO - do I get a prize for posting first 9th edition pts ARMY LIST.....

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365149-9th-edition-foot-guard/

As usual you'll get the honour to be in the first wave of the next assault

[duz_]

Started this as predictions thread - its getting pretty mammoth!

 

Suggest ADMIN that we lock it now - other threads as we are discussing actual reality now pts and rules are available.

 

ALSO - do I get a prize for posting first 9th edition pts ARMY LIST.....

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365149-9th-edition-foot-guard/

 

Well 9th isn't out yet, despite a lot of the rules being shown and the core being teased

Once people have books in hand then we can close it down and have more dedicated discussions as not everyone has access to pre-release information

 

As for your prize see Shamansky's response above :tu:

[domsto]

 

Vox-casters are actually useful now because officers can't be the center of a web of guard squads if you want to keep the officer safe. 

 

Well even now Voxcasters are way overcosted. Maybe if the Commander gets an Wargear option so he have a little voxcaster himself, so you don't have to pay 10 Points per Order.

But with the shrinking Importance of Troops in 9.Ed, i quest i won't really bother with to many Infantry Squads anymore.

Edited July 15, 2020 by domsto

[jaxom]

Useful and points-efficient are two (related but) different things. I think a lot of troops will be useful for performing Actions while still having more to screen.

[Shamansky]

IA: index FAQ is out, gentlemen! 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/tgQpUPFPrrnFQieo.pdf

[SteveAntilles]

All Malcador's get Grinding Advance now! Doube tap that Demolisher cannon and then 7 heavy bolter shots at no minus to hit!

[Tyr13]

Malcadors got a boost, they finally get to shoot their turrets twice. And the demolisher too, apparently. ^^

[Khornestar]

So units like the stormhammer had their weapons included in the blast list, but their points weren't updated.

 

Does that mean we just use CA:2019 point values?

[Chris521]

Am I missing something, or did they not include the standard Malcador in the Grinding Advance rules?

[sairence]

There's a few things in there that didn't have their points adjusted...notably the Stormhammer and various Leman Russ. Bit strange in all honesty. I wouldn't mind getting the Conqueror back at a comparable points level to a standard Russ, it was filthy good early in 8th. :D

[Khornestar]

Also, what's the deal with points for multi-melta on infantry? Not exclusive to this codex, but AM don't have any infantry that tote multi-meltas around. Same thing in the CSM codex. Wha?

[Phubar]

Do the techpriest servitors have the Multimelta as an option?

[sairence]

I think a lot of that stuff was copy & paste between all armies using the same weapons.

[Khornestar]

Do the techpriest servitors have the Multimelta as an option?

That could be it, wouldn’t explain chaos but that’s not the topic at hand. Good catch.

[Shamansky]

So. Marines leaked. And what bothers me somehow more than anything is that smoke launchers are a 1CP stratagem now for units with the SMOKESCREEN keyword. If that will be true for the Guard too and tank orders will stay the same, than 'strike and shroud' can become attractive from an unexpected side.

[duz_]

That's interesting decision... To be fair I never really used smoke grenades and now I will be less likely too

[WarriorFish]

That seems rather convoluted, not sure why it needs to be a Stratagem? :confused: I didn't use it every game but this likely means not at all now...

[Shamansky]

the only good side of this is that it can be used in the moment a unit (including some infantry) becomes a target of an enemy attack, so it will not be wasted.

Edited October 6, 2020 by Shamansky

[sairence]

It's a bit of a shame. With my wall of Chimeras moving up they pretty much always popped smoke after advancing on the mid-objectives now.

 

But it will be good to better protect those key units that you just can't get behind dense terrain. I know I've had my Manticore sniped a few times, being able to protect those pieces without giving up shooting is nice.

 

Overall it's a side-grade more than anything else I think.

[Charlo]

Smoke launchers are better. You don't forego shooting and get to react.

 

Sure it's not multiple units but I don't think that's an issue.

 

Great change.

[jaxom]

That seems rather convoluted, not sure why it needs to be a Stratagem? I didn't use it every game but this likely means not at all now...

 

The design intent with that (and meltabombs, etc) seems to be reducing unit spam if the unit was taken for a specific ability. Previously one could have something like two or three 5-man Infiltrator squads, deployed mid-board for example, all using smoke during turn 1. Now only one of those units can use smoke in the same turn. We may see less Infiltrators or a consolidation into a single squad of 10.

[Shamansky]

I'll decide if that is a buff or a nerf for me when i see what will be left of the Guard in the codex. For now i think it would be a nerf inspite of pinpoint usage of smoke. The Guard has alredy lost its' main advantage of big CP-pool that used to help compete with other armies and now, when they already make us pay for extra detachments and overwatch, adding smokelaunchers and meltabombs as stratagems would shorten the CP amount even further. The quality and quantity (with new hiked prices) of our units do not give the Guard staying power in this camping objectives game. We had plenty of CPs to manage this comparing to other armies, but now we don't. 

Edited October 6, 2020 by Shamansky