9th Edition: Reflections and Predictions for AM

[Wassa]

Is anyone else worried about the secondary missions?

 

A guard army seems to be just giving away the kill units, kill vehicles, kill more missions while making the survival missions almost impossible?

[Shamansky]

Is anyone else worried about the secondary missions?

 

A guard army seems to be just giving away the kill units, kill vehicles, kill more missions while making the survival missions almost impossible?

As it used to be in 5-7th editions as i remember. That could be made to cease the cognitive dissonance that the rest of the community has because the Guard obtained some strong units and tactics, but in all the 'lore books' AM is just a filler between hordes of enemies of mankind and 'glorious savers of humanity'

[jaxom]

If I understand it correctly assume your opponent will get all their secondary points so pick secondaries they have a poor chance of stopping while you go after the primary objective?

[Phubar]

Can you explain it in other words? I dont get your point, sorry!

[jaxom]

Each army picks their own secondary objectives. The idea is that your army was sent to battle because they are good at achieving those secondary objectives. So while you assume your opponent will achieve all their secondary objectives; you should work on achieving the secondary objectives you chose for your army. The other way to score points are the mission’s primary objectives; the direct competition between you and your opponent. Overall, focus on the primary objectives and your secondary objectives.

[GuardDaddy]

astra militarum in 9th review - by playtesters. All talk behind a really nice Death Korps army for eye candy!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdzKdEJCKtg

[War Angel]

astra militarum in 9th review - by playtesters. All talk behind a really nice Death Korps army for eye candy!

 

They briefly mentioned that pure infantry can work, and crowed out the table!!! Lol

[crimsondave]

After watching a few games of 9th I'm fairly certain I won't be playing any matched play games.  Just keeping track of the points seems like a royal PITA. 

 

I tried to keep an open mind on the new overwatch rule but it I'm pretty sure I hate it.

 

BUT looks like it will be pretty fun overall, especially for narrative play.  jmo

[CaptainMarsh]

It all comes down to the cost of tanks and infantry for me. Everything else will be fine. I am not worried about secondaries in the slightest.

[Phubar]

Just for fun, how do you think that the Vanquisher will have to be?

 

If it remains the same as now, do you think that it will be viable for the only advantage (against BC) is shooting in melee?

 

Do you think that the Extermiator autocannon is alrwady a choice for the same reason?

 

Thank you all :)

Edited July 12, 2020 by Phubar

[GuardDaddy]

For me the punisher is the big tank winner. Its shots are not variable, its not blast but they are high volume, it fires in close combat. It can move and shoot without suffering -1 to hit. 

 

The ability to protect assets using reserve rule also gives them a chance to be around turn 3+..

[Santaclauswitz]

I've just read an article on goonhammer about points. Apparently guardsmen/conscripts will be 5 points. A russ will go up 30 points (including heavy bolter).

[GuardDaddy]

If I was offered points increase to 5pts for guardsman I'd bite your hand off! Would be very pleased with that. If anything guard show the problem with low points models as the nuance to adjust is limited, there simply isn't the granularity.

[Phubar]

Personally i dont like guardsman at 5 ppm, it is not fluffy :D

I would kept the guardsman 4ppm and added a tax for special/heavy weapons and officiers.

So if you take IS with added firepower and/or buff them with orders they will cost you more than now but if you take them naked and without support they stay cheap and hamless and you can have many of them, as the guard fluff says.

[sairence]

Yeah, 5ppm for them is getting off easy considering cultists will be 6. It's a shame that conscripts went up to 5 as well.

[Captain_Krash]

Scions went up as well....7 to 9 points...

 

Krash

[GuardDaddy]

Points read out by striking scorpion here: 08:08 to 13:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6bdswaxHDs

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

Do we know yet which FW units have made it in or not? And I am really regretting making a chimera with double heavy bolters.

[Minsc]

All the new changes in a spreadsheet. 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g9NIG7ny9aBe9ruaW5U8Iwgm4KBAB3VNAe7As7HBnUk/htmlview?pru=AAABc2wP-EI*Gaf3QBoWCzdHP-g2a2NIoQ#gid=0

[Kain Mor]

If these are all accurate that could have gone a lot worse. Between these and the changes to detachments I’m sure not touching my Baneblade again though, and our psykers got brutalized.

 

Edit: Transports continuing to go up makes it less and less likely I’ll take mine ever. Transport value in 8th/9th is generally overcosted imo. 75 points for a rhino? 65 for a chimera? Easily 20pts too much.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Kain Mor

[sairence]

Not sure about Chimeras yet...it may well be that they become more of me necessity again with the new rules. It's likely we'll have less troops on the field for the most part so keeping them safe may become more of a priority.

[duz_]

I think Chimeras are costed appropriately

 

In surprised at the increase in cost for the taroux though

[MedicMike0708]

Looks like FAQs and Errata are live. May be more appropriate to start a new thread. Tallarn and Vahallans got FAQ’s, nothing noted for steel legion, Mordian or other regimental doctrines. Pretty disappointing as my Mordians will now need to use CP just to use their innate trait. Might be time for custom doctrines for me, fluff wise I will work out some head canon for the time I get around to playing a game in 9th

[duz_]

MedicM I'm in the same boat

 

It's a toss up between Cadian (boring but decent all around), Vostroyan (still some what thematic since we'll disciplined aim is a thing for us) or Steel legion if I go full mech

 

This is a bigger decision especially if you want to run a single detachment with all your tanks in the same one

[GuardDaddy]

Just saying the most shocking points increase is Wyrdvane Psykers going up to 8pts. This means they are now overcosted...... by 6 pts