Does anyone else wish the new Primaris tanks were treaded?

[Volt]

I for one don't get the stubber hate. I like em myself. They look more fitting as pintlemounted guns than stormbolters ever did. Them also being used everywhere I feel is a good thing, solidifies them as the vehicle lmg.

 

The only instance I can think of I don't like is the dual stubber on the impulsor, but that I think is mostly because the reuse of the large missile box feels lazy.

Why would marines ever use stubbers over a stormbolter? Sure stubbers are more compact in ammo, but it makes more sense to bring guns that the entire army has universally accepted standardized ammo for, instead of tacking on another weapon system and logistics chain to provide stubber rounds. A vehicle really should only have 2-3 weapon types mounted on it, especially for space marines whose whole schtick is rapid response and efficient shock troops. Stubbers only make sense really on an extremely crappy guard vehicle from a rundown forgeworld or resource strapped Regiment resorting to mounting stubbers due to being more economical for the Departmento Munitorum.

[Ishagu]

Longer barrel means more accuracy and longer range.

 

Cheaper to maintain and get ammo for?

[painting.for.my.sanity]

I'm happy with stubber use, provided there's enough of them spread across the force to justify their inclusion - I hate having weapons using a new ammo type appearing once in a force, as it's just silly from a logistics perspective.

 

As for aesthetics and tracks vs gravplates, I prefer the former, but am relatively happy with how the latter are implemented.

 

There are far more egregious design issues on the modern vehicles IMO, such as excessive weapon types on vehicles (I've left some off on mine), strangely shaped turrets (the stubbers on Impulsors - I absolutely agree with Reinhard), and turrets on turrets (like on the Executioner).

[TheNewman]

If we could deep strike the grav tanks, who'd need drop pods?

Firstborn.

[BitsHammer]

 

If we could deep strike the grav tanks, who'd need drop pods?

Firstborn.

 

They already have Drop Pod access. I was clearly talking about Primaris who don't have Drop Pod access.

Edited June 10, 2020 by Fulkes

[Bjorn Firewalker]

I'm happy with stubber use, provided there's enough of them spread across the force to justify their inclusion - I hate having weapons using a new ammo type appearing once in a force, as it's just silly from a logistics perspective.

I second that. Why use a heavy stubber when heavy bolters are already in widespread use?

As for aesthetics and tracks vs gravplates, I prefer the former, but am relatively happy with how the latter are implemented.

I also want to see more legs. Yes, legs are more of an AdMech thing, but I dare you to find a Space Marines player who does NOT want an AT-AT for his army.

[BitsHammer]

I want more leggy options for CSM. Like give them a Spider Rhino.

[Ishagu]

I'll tell you what I wish for: A giant robot or tank.

 

Something the size of a Stormsurge or Baneblade, plastic, part of the codex.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

I want more leggy options for CSM. Like give them a Spider Rhino.

Spidery legs make me think, "AdMech." A "Rhino" Rhino- legs jointed the way a mammal's are, and maybe with a bow-mounted twin-autocannon to serve as the Rhino's horns- will work better, in my opinion. Again, the AT-ATs from The Empire Strikes Back are a great inspiration.

[Dracos]

 

I'm happy with stubber use, provided there's enough of them spread across the force to justify their inclusion - I hate having weapons using a new ammo type appearing once in a force, as it's just silly from a logistics perspective.

I second that. Why use a heavy stubber when heavy bolters are already in widespread use?

As for aesthetics and tracks vs gravplates, I prefer the former, but am relatively happy with how the latter are implemented.

I also want to see more legs. Yes, legs are more of an AdMech thing, but I dare you to find a Space Marines player who does NOT want an AT-AT for his army.

 

 

I just prefer the compact aesthetics of the stormbolter. Its as Iconic for Marines for me as the chainsword is for others. Cost and maintenance fluff blah, Space Marines aent numerous enough for cost to be an issue when deciding weapons which have relative same table effect. in my opinion of course.

 

I have the Invictor, I can't see an AT-AT doing the job much better. Visually or TT rules. I'd rather efforts went into designing Assault Inceptors or a Primaris Centurion. 

[Bjorn Firewalker]

I have the Invictor, I can't see an AT-AT doing the job much better.

Remember, the AT-AT is also a transport, and as the AT-M6 demonstrates, a potential heavy artillery platform. The Invictor can't transport 20 Terminators/Aggressors, or bear a battle cannon with 72" range.

I'd rather efforts went into designing Assault Inceptors or a Primaris Centurion.

I thought the Invictor WAS the "Primaris Centurion"?

[Volt]

 

I'm happy with stubber use, provided there's enough of them spread across the force to justify their inclusion - I hate having weapons using a new ammo type appearing once in a force, as it's just silly from a logistics perspective.

I second that. Why use a heavy stubber when heavy bolters are already in widespread use?

As for aesthetics and tracks vs gravplates, I prefer the former, but am relatively happy with how the latter are implemented.

I also want to see more legs. Yes, legs are more of an AdMech thing, but I dare you to find a Space Marines player who does NOT want an AT-AT for his army.

 

AT-AT's are stupid, so no

[BitsHammer]

 

I want more leggy options for CSM. Like give them a Spider Rhino.

Spidery legs make me think, "AdMech." A "Rhino" Rhino- legs jointed the way a mammal's are, and maybe with a bow-mounted twin-autocannon to serve as the Rhino's horns- will work better, in my opinion. Again, the AT-ATs from The Empire Strikes Back are a great inspiration.

 

i just feel like Chaos has room to go nuts, but they don't cash in on in that enough.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

i just feel like Chaos has room to go nuts, but they don't cash in on in that enough.

A transport variant of the Defiler? Interesting idea. If the Dark Mechanicum Magi can fix the problem in which possessed tanks eat their own passengers, then it may be worth having in a Chaos Space Marine army.

[BitsHammer]

 

i just feel like Chaos has room to go nuts, but they don't cash in on in that enough.

A transport variant of the Defiler? Interesting idea. If the Dark Mechanicum Magi can fix the problem in which possessed tanks eat their own passengers, then it may be worth having in a Chaos Space Marine army.

 

Just feed it extra cultists.

[Maritn]

I prefer the look of the classic (tracked) vehicles.

[Guest Triszin]

nope. I just wish there wasnt a restriction for firstborn/primaris to go in any transport.

 

I actually like the Grav tech for marines, and it makes sense for them.

[Gederas]

As for the Repulsor, I stand by the idea behind the frag launchers on the turret is to deathblossom their way through the enemy horde when they land. 

 

And Repulsors really should get to deep strike. I mean it does it in Dark Imperium after all.

It's even stated in the fluff in the Deathwatch Codex. Repulsors are deployed by air-dropping the damn things

So, about that:

 

A second Overlord, converted to carry vehicles, roared overhead almost close enough to land. But this one never even slowed down. Two great shadows dropped from its hollow belly, vomiting tracer fire as they fell. The Repulsor tanks slammed against the earth, their ventral anti-grav plates taking the punishment of the thirty-yard plunge with twin sonic booms.

- Spear of the Emperor, Aaron Dembski-Bowden, page 144

 

Seems they're also air-dropped in danger-close methods too :lol:

[Umbros]

Personally I prefer the look of a land raider to a repulsor chassis. Not because of the treads alone (there's a brutalist element to the grav I love), but the overall design is far too busy on the Replsor, especially around the turret. 

Edited June 12, 2020 by Umbros

[Cryptix]

Why are Brits using yards as a descriptor?

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

Coz they generally don’t do the metric system.

[Dracos]

Originator of the Imperial measuring system. 

[Sky Potato]

Because we invented the Imperial measurements so we can do what we want

[Bjorn Firewalker]

A second Overlord, converted to carry vehicles, roared overhead almost close enough to land. But this one never even slowed down. Two great shadows dropped from its hollow belly, vomiting tracer fire as they fell. The Repulsor tanks slammed against the earth, their ventral anti-grav plates taking the punishment of the thirty-yard plunge with twin sonic booms.

- Spear of the Emperor, Aaron Dembski-Bowden, page 144

Good find. Is the Overlord a Primaris Thunderhawk? A Primaris Stormraven?

 

And am I the only one who wants a model for my army?

Personally I prefer the look of a land raider to a repulsor chassis. Not because of the treads alone (there's a brutalist element to the grav I love), but the overall design is far too busy on the Replsor, especially around the turret.

I second that.

[Gederas]

A second Overlord, converted to carry vehicles, roared overhead almost close enough to land. But this one never even slowed down. Two great shadows dropped from its hollow belly, vomiting tracer fire as they fell. The Repulsor tanks slammed against the earth, their ventral anti-grav plates taking the punishment of the thirty-yard plunge with twin sonic booms.

- Spear of the Emperor, Aaron Dembski-Bowden, page 144

Good find. Is the Overlord a Primaris Thunderhawk? A Primaris Stormraven?

 

And am I the only one who wants a model for my army

Bigger.

 

In Chapter 18 of Dark Imperium, the Overlord is first described and is mentioned to make Thunderhawks look like "children's toys".