Does anyone else wish the new Primaris tanks were treaded?

[Ishagu]

I don't expect we'll ever get a plastic Overlord.

 

I also don't expect to see a FW model either. It's far bigger than a Storm bird, and that's already a crazy sized kit.

[Gederas]

I don't expect we'll ever get a plastic Overlord.

 

I also don't expect to see a FW model either. It's far bigger than a Storm bird, and that's already a crazy sized kit.

Never say never. We have the Manta and the Warlord Titan.

[War Angel]

Yeah but the rules for flyers make it really hard to move a thunder hawk around the board.

[Ishagu]

Yeah the giant flyers don't really work unfortunately. And now with the new rules about ignoring their bases it can potentially be very awkward.

[Dracos]

 

Certain units should never had stepped onto a standard 40k board (even more so now with smaller boards). You know who you are. No animosity. Apocalypse should be the home of superheavies and Lords of War. Gatekeeper armies are never truly balanced with the rest of the game and either are useless or dominating. Not a fan of either of those outcomes

 

In my opinion.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Dracos

[Robbienw]

The Overlord is said to be Stormbird sized (full fat stormbird as well, not the smaller sokar pattern one).

 

Probably your only chance of seeing it in model form is if it appears in Aeronautica Imperialis, when the marine stuff gets released for that.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Robbienw

[War Angel]

The Overlord is said to be Stormbird sized (full fat stormbird as well, not the smaller sokar pattern one).

 

Probably your only chance of seeing it in model form is if it appears in Aeronautica Imperialis, when the marine stuff gets released for that.

I think I would enjoy that.

[Dracos]

Me too. I won’t play but I’ll buy an Overlord and two Xiphon escorts just for modeling.

[Gederas]

Me too. I won’t play but I’ll buy an Overlord and two Xiphon escorts just for modeling.

Same here.

 

[NemFX]

I hate to say it, but ALL of the primaris vehicles have been a bust. For everything I have complimented, I have found about three things to complain about. I like the IDEA of them learning from the older marine vehicles (having more firing arcs, having more weapons in general) but the hover tech barely works even in-canon, and the power source thing makes no sense. Before, you essentially had tried and true technology, that's essentially just future-diesel. Now you have wheeled vehicles with no ground clearance, that looks like someone never has seen a motorcycle work, or floating boxes which use magic technology to work, instead of something more thought out. Also bring back heavy bolters, I hate stubbers, why downgrade your weapons?

[NemFX]

Also, at the risk of double posting, albeit two days later, if the Overlord is so big as to make Thunderhawks look like children's toys..

 

*sticks some heavy bolters on a car, and a bumper sticker that says OVERLORD on it*

 

tadaa~

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Also, at the risk of double posting, albeit two days later, if the Overlord is so big as to make Thunderhawks look like children's toys..

 

*sticks some heavy bolters on a car, and a bumper sticker that says OVERLORD on it*

 

tadaa~

No need to spend that much money for some gunships. Get some bed trays, kitbash it with a Stormraven's cockpit and gun turret, glue flashlights on the side to "count as" engines, and you should be done. The legs underneath? They're magna-grapples so the "counts as an" Overlord can transport Fellblade superheavy tanks.

 

Save the car for the day you want to build a Space Marine battle barge.

[Hymnblade]

Also bring back heavy bolters, I hate stubbers, why downgrade your weapons?

I know lore usually presents the heavy stubber as an inferior counterpart to the heavy bolter, but that doesn't appear to be how Primaris vehicles use it. The Invictor has them on the hardpoints where the Redemptor has storm bolters, and the Impulsor has a pintle stubber instead of a pintle storm bolter.

 

Combine that with the fact that Marines get "ironhail stubbers" that are better than regular ones, and it looks like stubbers are seen as a sidegrade to the storm bolter rather than a downgrade from the heavy bolter. Trading ROF and less recoil for range, penetration, and possibly more compact ammo (=more ammo carried) isn't totally unreasonable.

[painting.for.my.sanity]

 

Also bring back heavy bolters, I hate stubbers, why downgrade your weapons?

I know lore usually presents the heavy stubber as an inferior counterpart to the heavy bolter, but that doesn't appear to be how Primaris vehicles use it. The Invictor has them on the hardpoints where the Redemptor has storm bolters, and the Impulsor has a pintle stubber instead of a pintle storm bolter.

 

Combine that with the fact that Marines get "ironhail stubbers" that are better than regular ones, and it looks like stubbers are seen as a sidegrade to the storm bolter rather than a downgrade from the heavy bolter. Trading ROF and less recoil for range, penetration, and possibly more compact ammo (=more ammo carried) isn't totally unreasonable.

Exactly. If the downgrade happened anywhere, it was going from the Heresy to 40k - note how vehicles used to have pintle mounted Heavy Bolters etc etc, but then standardised on Storm Bolters.

[NemFX]

As a sidegrade, the stubbers are maybe comparable to the 5.56 (as opposed to the 7.62) but the actual models for them are really ugly. I honestly think the aesthetic plays a large role in it for me. The stubber looks too frail, the heavy bolter looks imposing, which it should, since everything for space marines is imposing.

 

As for the downgrade from the heresy, you actually went short on that. All space marine vehicles used to have havoc launchers on them. They were originally a loyalist thing.

[Lord_Caerolion]

 

Also bring back heavy bolters, I hate stubbers, why downgrade your weapons?

I know lore usually presents the heavy stubber as an inferior counterpart to the heavy bolter, but that doesn't appear to be how Primaris vehicles use it. The Invictor has them on the hardpoints where the Redemptor has storm bolters, and the Impulsor has a pintle stubber instead of a pintle storm bolter.

 

Combine that with the fact that Marines get "ironhail stubbers" that are better than regular ones, and it looks like stubbers are seen as a sidegrade to the storm bolter rather than a downgrade from the heavy bolter. Trading ROF and less recoil for range, penetration, and possibly more compact ammo (=more ammo carried) isn't totally unreasonable.

 

 

Combine that with the fact that the Imperium is supposed to be in even direr straits than normal, and given the resources required to make bolt shells, I think it's understandable that they'd look for sidegrades into things far easier and cheaper to produce when you're talking about supplementary weapons like how the ironhail stubbers are used for the Primaris.

[Ishagu]

I really have no issue with the stubbers.

 

There are all sorts of new weapons across the Primaris. They are using things which are both more technologically sophisticated, and things which are easy and cheap to produce. That's nothing new.

 

Also it should be noted that the stubbers they get are superior to the general versions. It's simply another weapon in their arsenal, and one that suits being a secondary tool on their vehicles.

[Dracos]

“Get off my lawn you young stubbers.” ;)

 

 

I just think Stormbolters look cooler. Too many things poking out of a Primaris vehicle as it is. Especially would look cooler on the Invictor, if I could swap the pieces and just <counts as>

[Gederas]

As a sidegrade, the stubbers are maybe comparable to the 5.56 (as opposed to the 7.62) but the actual models for them are really ugly. I honestly think the aesthetic plays a large role in it for me. The stubber looks too frail, the heavy bolter looks imposing, which it should, since everything for space marines is imposing.

 

As for the downgrade from the heresy, you actually went short on that. All space marine vehicles used to have havoc launchers on them. They were originally a loyalist thing.

Heavy Stubbers are usually depicted in the fluff as proper machine guns. Iirc, some of the common pieces of artwork show Heavy Stubbers looking like the MG 42 (7.92×57mm Mauser) and the M2 Browning (.50 BMG (12.7×99mm NATO)), the latter of which makes me laugh like hell because that takes "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" to the logical extreme, as the M2 was designed by John Moses Browning in.... 1918 :lol:

[War Angel]

I really think the stubbers are there only to reduce how much of a boost imperial fist would get from all those exploding 6’s. Too much of a power boost I guess.

[Evil Eye]

I don't mind them floating, as much as I like good old fashioned tracks on the ground. My problem is that they're so plastered with guns and missiles that they look a bit too much like a toy for my tastes. The Impulsor (that's the Primaris Rhino equivalent right?) would actually make a really nice vehicle if they did away with some of the excess armaments. I'm considering converting one up into a sort of anti-grav corpse cart as a "flavour" model for the Death Guard.

[Ishagu]

You can run an Impulsor without any guns other than 2 storm bolters.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

I don't mind them floating, as much as I like good old fashioned tracks on the ground. My problem is that they're so plastered with guns and missiles that they look a bit too much like a toy for my tastes.

Well said. I wonder if Belisarius Cawl had Ork organs transplanted in his body, in order to live over 10,000 years?

[Slips]

When you build a Repulsor and decide not to glue on any of the equipment found on the rear of the hull of the tank, it does a lot to make it not look cluttered and busy.
 

 

vs

 

[The Unseen]

That... actually looks reasonable?

Like, its now just heavily armed, instead of looking like it rolled around in a bitz box.
Neat. Well, now I know what I'm doing whenever I get an Impulsor