Venerable Jazzman Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I still believe Dante should get a "Katakros" level display model. Or rather "silent king" since that's going to be a thing now. tbh, I'd settle for a model that wasn't 25 years old. I remember when it came out in '95 - although it's a bit hazy, because The 90s ;) http://solegends.com/citcat1995-6/cat19956p038-02.htm Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365123-9th-edition-all-blood-angel-point-changes/page/2/#findComment-5564856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DistractionTacMarine Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 I do think Dante gets a new model and is the centerpiece release of the new codex in 9th the same way Mephiston was for Blood of Baal. I’ve heard speculation that Dante is going to have some sort of apotheosis and merge with the Sanguinor or become the new Sanguinor or something similar which would be interesting, but I don’t see it happening ... I think Dante will cross the Rubicon and come out beefier and better, with a new model and probably 220 points lol. Hopefully we’ll get a new Primaris DC kit at the same time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365123-9th-edition-all-blood-angel-point-changes/page/2/#findComment-5564880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanT2112 Posted July 17, 2020 Author Share Posted July 17, 2020 Put all the above into a spreadsheet to compare. Man, haven't done that in forever. Battlescribe is a crutch. The list (what I planned on taking to my last chance at a game before Covid, so not super optimized, but my basis of comparison) : Hidden Content Blood Angels Brigade HQ: Captain -jump pack -thunder hammer -storm shield Chaplain -jump pack -power fist Chief Librarian Mephiston TROOPS: Incursor x 5 -haywire mine Incursor x 5 -haywire mine Incursor x 5 -haywire mine Incursor x 5 -haywire mine Scouts x 5 -combat knife x 4 -bolt pistol x 4 -Sgt chainsword -Sgt bolter Scouts x 5 -bolter x 4 -heavy bolter x 1 -Sgt chainsword -Sgt bolter ELITES: Sanguinary Guard x 5 -power fist x 5 -angelus boltgun x 5 -death mask x 5 Sanguinary Guard x 5 -power fist x 5 -angelus boltgun x 5 -death mask x 5 Sanguinary Ancient -encarmine sword -angelus boltgun -death mask Vanguard Veteran x 5 -jump packs -stormshield + chainsword x 4 -Sgt thunder hammer -Sgt inferno pistol Vanguard Veteran x 5 -jump packs -stormshield + chainsword x 4 -Sgt thunder hammer -Sgt inferno pistol FAST ATTACK: Suppressors x 3 Scout Bikes x 3 -Sgt Storm bolter Inceptors x 3 -plasma exterminators x 3 HEAVY SUPPORT: Eliminators x 3 -bolt sniper rifles Eliminators x 3 -bolt sniper rifles Eliminators x 3 -bolt sniper rifles If my math is correct (again, Battlescribe's been my crutch, so hopefully I calculated this correctly), then: 8th Ed: 1999pts 9th Ed: 2301pts I am quite curious to see how my local scene adjusts to this. If less models to conform to the arbitrary 2000pt game size is the way people go, or if as others have predicted, 2500pts becomes the new norm. True but at 2500 points you might as well play 3k. Once you pass 2000 you get the larger table size minimum (if you care, considering the game is supposedly balanced around the sizes) - and the same command points at 3k as 2500. In what world are tacticals worth 3/4 of an intercessor? Cause it ain't this one. Buy a special weapon and a squad of 5 is almost the same, which is ridiculous. I consider this.... in 8th edition, Tactical Marines were 12pts ea (60pts for 5) and Lascannon was 25pts. (85 total) 9th edition they're 90 pts with Lascannon. (because the price of the weapon went down 5)... In my brigades I plan on taking two lascannon tactical squads to camp back field objectives so that I don't need to use Primaris to do it.... Just my 2c. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365123-9th-edition-all-blood-angel-point-changes/page/2/#findComment-5565445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 <snip> True about if you go 2001pts you might as well go 3000pts...but I think there’s still a psychological value to things. What was 2000pts (~1750pts in 7th...) in 8th may feel like the right size game/number of models on the board, regardless of how much it costs in 9th. Hence why I wonder if 2500pts becomes sort of a norm. In other words, a certain set of models being the norm with the points those models cost adjusting with each edition, thus the average points value per game in each edition adjusts accordingly. This is in contrast to (and in spite of) GW seemingly wanting people to pick the points value first and then take more or less models for that value. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365123-9th-edition-all-blood-angel-point-changes/page/2/#findComment-5565567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluejayJunior Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 Unless tournaments start changing, I don't see the normal changing for most people. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365123-9th-edition-all-blood-angel-point-changes/page/2/#findComment-5565594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Are Verlo Posted July 18, 2020 Share Posted July 18, 2020 I actually like the thought of slightly less models on the board. Sure some units got their cost increased more than others, but all fractions had their costs reworked. One part of the game is tinkering with lists to see what I can make with the tools I’n given. Panzer 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365123-9th-edition-all-blood-angel-point-changes/page/2/#findComment-5565698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted July 20, 2020 Share Posted July 20, 2020 Agreed, less models is better for the standard game of warhammer. 40k armies already are twice the size of fantasy/AoS armies. No wonder everything gets immediately deleted. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365123-9th-edition-all-blood-angel-point-changes/page/2/#findComment-5566675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanT2112 Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Points are MOSTLY accurate except Eradicators are 40 ea and Outriders are 45. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365123-9th-edition-all-blood-angel-point-changes/page/2/#findComment-5572886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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