Jorin Helm-splitter Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 From the preview today we'll be using the main codex and be getting a supplement eventually instead of a stand alone codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I'm not sure how to take this. Atm I am sad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadgersinHills Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/25/the-warhammer-40000-launch-party-preview/ We are getting a supplement that goes with the main codex. I'm pleased, was just thinking it might be something GW would do but wouldn't hah. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavement Artist Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Why? You lose nothing in the way of individual rules and it means less admin when they expand the marine lines as it will always fall in line with the main book. When I started the hobby the wolves were a supplement and it didn't exactly harm them. Kallas, Bro Castiel, Jarl Kjaran Coldheart and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I am of 2 minds on this. First mind is actually quite happy because then we will get rules updates simultaneously with marines and no more long drawn out waits while the other marines get better and better and we languish in ineptitude. The second mind is a bit scared that this will be the death of alot of our uniqueness. Especially some of the subtler differences like the flipped WS/BS on iron priests and the like. And I also fear they may try to retcon blood claw-greyhunter-longfang progression. I like those differences and dont want to lose them, so this move worries me a bit. Lord Ragnarok, NightHowler, Kallas and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gherrick Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I share the feelings Triszin. I really don't like GWs approach to rules updates. If they would remove the points completely from the codexes, and maintain them as a separate downloadable pdf, they wouldn't need to update a codex that is less than a year old. Throwing in a couple new toys, IMO, does not justify paying another 50+USD for a book that will become obsolete in less than a year due to point adjustments. They need to spend the resources to make sure their codexes and supplements are FAR less errata-needy, and then I'll consider giving them my money. It's bad enough that I bought the 8e digital SW codex and it was completely unusable by any app I tried (zoom is disabled), and yet I couldn't get a refund because I already downloaded it! Neowulf, Roland Durendal and TSkouboe 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Someone pulled the marine rules from the video Wolves Space Wolves: 1) +1 to hit in melee if the unit charged, was charged or HR and 2) units with this tactic can HR as if they were characters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 I will reserve final judgement(joy/wrath) until I get the supplement. It could go from being a complete turd to better then we had with just a stand alone codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted July 25, 2020 Author Share Posted July 25, 2020 If our infantry picks up Heroic Intervention it would be a great buff, stealing objectives by getting objective secured troops within 3 so far has been a solid strategy in 9th. So having an answer to that would be nice. I won't judge the supplement strategy till I see the release but in all honesty I've been sick of being the last marine book to be updated so if this means I won't have to wait 8 months to year to get updates I'm all for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Triszin do you have a link or reference for this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splog Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 units with this tactic can HR as if they were characters. Heroes, each and every one of them. (I’m assuming HR is Heroic Intervention) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Triszin Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Triszin do you have a link or reference for this? I'll try to verify it in a few minutes. Supposedly it's pulled from the codex preview trailer Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Hmmmm mixed feelings on the Heroic business if we lose the 6' inch range, that was a great combo with Armour of Russ or Judiciar Bookwise, aside from $$$ we share 60 datasheets with at worst a word changed, Phobos traits/psychic powers, and half the strats already Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0deb1ue Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) Well The new SM codex is space wolves coloured marines... until the supplement. Definitely a nerf to our chapter tactic, HI is really weak this edition and 3 inches is very little. Plus paying for characters to intervene 6 is just meh. Just layer upon layer of small nerfs for a character based chapter in an anti-hero hammer edition. Edited July 25, 2020 by C0deb1ue Roland Durendal 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Just found this in the vid ONE WOLF LORD PER DETACHMENT and 2 lieutenants Bryan Blaire and Valerian 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Honestly brothers , lets not turn into templars over this. It is a reasonable change for us as it will keep us inline with new releases without having to wait , it opens up new toys to us and in reality its not just us its all marines being put under one umbrella. It helps the game , it will help marine internal balance , we will still have all the things that make us special. It's not really a huge deal. I left the templar community on this board because of the constant unadulterated crying about EVERYTHING which is rooted in "BUT MUH 4th EDITION BOOK" They ( some of them ) can be absolutely insufferable , fussing about how they are glossed over , not given new things all the time , just please , even if were a little miffed about not having a stand alone book can we not turn into that. Bryan Blaire, Brother Desultor, jay170788 and 6 others 9 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Gah! Just saw this thread. I posted on another thread about this. It’s a return to 3rd edition which makes a lot of sense for design and production. We get the updates whenever they make a new marine codex. Which is a lot better than waiting until halfway through the edition to get an update. The third edition space wolves supplement was great. I don’t think we lost any flavor with it. I just hope we get our supplement quickly!!! Petitioner's City, Bryan Blaire and Salty Beard 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0deb1ue Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) If our infantry picks up Heroic Intervention it would be a great buff, stealing objectives by getting objective secured troops within 3 so far has been a solid strategy in 9th. So having an answer to that would be nice. I won't judge the supplement strategy till I see the release but in all honesty I've been sick of being the last marine book to be updated so if this means I won't have to wait 8 months to year to get updates I'm all for it. It doesn’t mean we have our rules sooner. We have to buy two books. One for basic space marine stuff and the a supplement later (which will probably be as delayed as the codex) For anything unique... Edited July 25, 2020 by C0deb1ue Roland Durendal 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castle Wolfenstein Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Just found this in the vid ONE WOLF LORD PER DETACHMENT and 2 lieutenants I really like this change, as long as it is applied to everyone. Having 3 smash captains in a detachment was just silly. Not that that would happen as often in 9th given the way army construction has changed, but still... Kallas, theprophetofwar, Valerian and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 It's 3rd Edition again (well, I wouldn't mind the 3rd Edition prices again, TBH, but that ain't happening) - Wolves were good then, will be good now - I won't complain until I have the Supplement in hand. I'm not entirely sure how I feel about the 1 Lord, 2 Battle Leader restriction. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Just found this in the vid ONE WOLF LORD PER DETACHMENT and 2 lieutenants I really like this change, as long as it is applied to everyone. Having 3 smash captains in a detachment was just silly. Not that that would happen as often in 9th given the way army construction has changed, but still... I like it for nerfing 3 BA smash captains or Custodes biker boys BUT I like running Bjorn and a TWC wolflord in some lists Can confirm the Hunters Unleashed changes too, no 6' range unless its a strat, but all units can HI, which I think we can all sink our teeth into Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 It would be nice if the new Gravis Captain kit also made Gravis Lieutenants/Battle Leaders/Huscarl, i.e. if they would make a profile for this. Similarly, if the Outrider Sergeant could also be a 'Captain/Jarl on Outrider Bike' and 'Lieutenant/Battle Leader/Huscarl on Outrider Bike', that would be good - it's silly that only Chaplains/Wolf Priests/Interrogator Chaplains might ride Bikes. Bryan Blaire 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 " i will declare my charge against this unit and only this unit." Space Wolves : Oh yea? Opponent :./sweating nervously. Neowulf, Dark Shepherd, Lord Ragnarok and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 The 1 lord 2 lieutenant is an interesting change. It can mess with some people’s builds. Personally my thoughts in 9th were to include only 1 lord anyway- typically Ragnar then Bjorn and a priest. Or Ragnar and two priests. If I was using two detachments it would be Ragnar, bjorn and two priests. Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Just found this in the vid ONE WOLF LORD PER DETACHMENT and 2 lieutenants I really like this change, as long as it is applied to everyone. Having 3 smash captains in a detachment was just silly. Not that that would happen as often in 9th given the way army construction has changed, but still... I like it for nerfing 3 BA smash captains or Custodes biker boys BUT I like running Bjorn and a TWC wolflord in some lists Can confirm the Hunters Unleashed changes too, no 6' range unless its a strat, but all units can HI, which I think we can all sink our teeth into Sorry for double post... on phone... Gentlemen and gentlewomen, our characters are usually going to be within 3” of a friendly unit anyway for protection. Losing the 6” HI will hurt in some situations but not in most situations. And getting 3” across the board gives us so much more. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/365415-wolves-in-the-new-marine-codex/#findComment-5570562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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