Llagos_Tyrant Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Hi B&C, Had this discussion over a game a few weeks ago - if a Thousand Sons army successfully casts the Sorcerous Facade psychic power (remove a unit from the battlefield, set it back up 9" or more away from enemy models, counts as having moved) on a unit that is in engagement range with enemy models at the start of the psychic phase, does that unit count as having fallen back from combat when it is set up again on the board? (i.e., could it still shoot/charge into combat after being set up back on the board?) The TSons player thought that it would not, but I was leaning more towards the idea that if the unit is treated as having moved that turn, and was in engagement range at the start of the psychic phase, then it would be treated as having fallen back for its move. Neither the Thousand Sons player or myself were sure and we ended up deciding to just roll a dice. If anyone is aware of any relevant FAQs or rulings on this or similar stratagems that exist, I'd appreciate getting a chance to read them and settle this before our next game. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366589-sorcerous-facade-tsons-and-falling-back/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 Isn't falling back a specific move you make during the movement phase? In which case, your Sons haven't made a fall back move, and so haven't fallen back. It would be similar to the scenario where a unit kills of all engaged enemy models using Smite, and are then free to act normally in the following phases. Quixus, Llagos_Tyrant and Dr_Ruminahui 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366589-sorcerous-facade-tsons-and-falling-back/#findComment-5604459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Ruminahui Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) Rogue has it correctly. The Rare Rules section (at page 91 of the Mission Book, page 363 of the Core Book) deals with this explictly - in the box on that page labelled REPOSITIONED AND REPLACEMENT UNITS, point 4. in that box states that "If the unit was within Engagement Range of an enemy unit when it was removed from the battlefield, it does not count as having Fallen Back when it is set back up on the battlefield". Edited September 20, 2020 by Dr_Ruminahui Spinsanity, Llagos_Tyrant and Quixus 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366589-sorcerous-facade-tsons-and-falling-back/#findComment-5604603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llagos_Tyrant Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share Posted October 10, 2020 Thank you both for the clarification! Good to know for our next games! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/366589-sorcerous-facade-tsons-and-falling-back/#findComment-5615225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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