Next AT supplement: Crucible of Retribution

[Marshal Loss]

 

Book features the first seccessionist Legio! Also the long-awaited arrival of Legio Ignatum. Only two new maniples, one of which is the Ignus:

 

 

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[Robbienw]

That’s a nice Ignatum Warlord on the front!

 

Hopefully this book will be accompanied by a kit such as the volcano armed Warbringer or the mechanicum Knights :D

[Warsmith Uveron]

Fantastic!!!! 

 

Although 3rd Type of Ignatum armour trim! 

[dicebod]

They are really churning out these books! 

[Black Knight]

Heres hoping they re-release the transfers for Ignatum, I missed them last time :(

 

Finally to have some rules for the Fire Wasps is great.

[I_Am_IronSam]

Doesn't seem to be anywhere obvious for corrupted Titans to hide from that contents page... Guess we will have to wait for another book.... 

[depthcharge12]

Doesn't seem to be anywhere obvious for corrupted Titans to hide from that contents page... Guess we will have to wait for another book....

While I’m happy they are putting out something...it’s kinda lame they aren’t introducing new gear/titans. Happy for the legios that finally get rules though. Astraman is pretty neato.

 

Who do I need to perform the rites of percussive maintenance on to get reaver plasma carapace weapons, corrupted titans, and Mechanicum knights?

[Sherrypie]

Plasma Reavers would be problematic from the game design perspective, because of their immensely better heat management than Warhounds'. As the blastgun stands, I do not desire it as an option for the bigger boys (or doubled on Warlord carapaces, oh boy).

 

Happy to see plenty of terrain and environment rules, those are good inspirational reading. More siege scenarios are always welcome as well.

Edited September 29, 2020 by Sherrypie

[1ncarnadine]

I see from the page count that Ignatum is in, but it looks like there's only one color plate? Same with most of them, actually, except Astraman, Laniaskara, and Kulisaetai.. and Atarus, but I expect that's a strict reprint from Titandeath.

I'm pretty sure they snuck Col'Khak color plates into that preview in the Ignis maniple picture?

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

Nice to see some lore coming for the Belt of Iron conflict, it's been a really intriguing background aspect of the Heresy for a while, and I'm super pleased to see the Legio Astraman getting rules & a scheme given my homebrew Legio are derived from the Morningstars

 

Will admit that I am chomping at the bit for a new Titan design though, given that we've seen all the 28mm minis converted to AT scale, the prospect of a completely new Titan is very appealing.

[depthcharge12]

Plasma Reavers would be problematic from the game design perspective, because of their immensely better heat management than Warhounds'. As the blastgun stands, I do not desire it as an option for the bigger boys (or doubled on Warlord carapaces, oh boy).

 

Happy to see plenty of terrain and environment rules, those are good inspirational reading. More siege scenarios are always welcome as well.

I would challenge that holistically with minimum ranges for carapace, slower movement speed with a 24” range weapon, higher opportunity cost of the chassis, etc.

[Sherrypie]

 

Plasma Reavers would be problematic from the game design perspective, because of their immensely better heat management than Warhounds'. As the blastgun stands, I do not desire it as an option for the bigger boys (or doubled on Warlord carapaces, oh boy).

 

Happy to see plenty of terrain and environment rules, those are good inspirational reading. More siege scenarios are always welcome as well.

I would challenge that holistically with minimum ranges for carapace, slower movement speed with a 24” range weapon, higher opportunity cost of the chassis, etc.

 

There are plenty of variables in that discussion, certainly, but I maintain as a whole it isn't worth the trouble of giving the Reaver, that most flexible of titans, another hard hitting gun that can be combined in unforeseen ways. Just taking double gatlings + blastgun would make a fearsome killer that shoots harder than the already powerful gatling + melta + rocket/bolter variant and benefits more from increases through legios, maniples and stratagems.

 

The blastgun isn't oppressive as is exactly because of the relative fragility of the Warhound chassis, we don't need it proliferating into heavier engines to eat the role of similar guns.

[malika666]

I wonder if we'll be getting new models. 

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

I wonder if we'll be getting new models. 

 

I'm sure there must be Styrix, Megaera, Atropos and Bellicosa Warbringer minis in the works, but god knows how Covid's affected the release schedule - I do wonder if books have been impacted differently because presumably GW doesn't do printing in-house 

[malika666]

The Mechanicum Knights were already shown on the cover of the previous book, so to me they count as part of that one. :p

[Mandragola]

 

 

Plasma Reavers would be problematic from the game design perspective, because of their immensely better heat management than Warhounds'. As the blastgun stands, I do not desire it as an option for the bigger boys (or doubled on Warlord carapaces, oh boy).

 

Happy to see plenty of terrain and environment rules, those are good inspirational reading. More siege scenarios are always welcome as well.

I would challenge that holistically with minimum ranges for carapace, slower movement speed with a 24” range weapon, higher opportunity cost of the chassis, etc.

 

There are plenty of variables in that discussion, certainly, but I maintain as a whole it isn't worth the trouble of giving the Reaver, that most flexible of titans, another hard hitting gun that can be combined in unforeseen ways. Just taking double gatlings + blastgun would make a fearsome killer that shoots harder than the already powerful gatling + melta + rocket/bolter variant and benefits more from increases through legios, maniples and stratagems.

 

The blastgun isn't oppressive as is exactly because of the relative fragility of the Warhound chassis, we don't need it proliferating into heavier engines to eat the role of similar guns.

 

I definitely agree with this. The plasma blastgun is just far more powerful than the other warhound weapon options. The 2 S8 hits from turbo lasers look pathetic next to 4 S9/10 hits from the blastgun, even with the shorter range and worse accuracy. To put it in line with the others I think you'd have to remove the blast quality. If you did that, I'd have no issue sticking it on a larger titan's carapace.

 

Otherwise it's good to see this book, but it's probably not the most exciting so far. It's nice that there are seven new Legios, especially for people who play them. But for everyone else there's only two new maniples, the leaked one of which looks highly specialised. There aren't any stratagems, or any equivalent of things like the allegiance abilities in Ryza that apply to everyone.

 

A lot of the book seems to be made up of these new missions, and actually that could end up being a really good thing - if they're good missions. The existing matched play missions aren't balanced and can get a bit tired after two years. So I look at this section of the book with the most interest, personally.

[RedFurioso]

What do you think about use of new Legions (Laniaskara, Kulisaetai, Tritonis, Damicium)? All Legions from previous books were created long before AT launch and mentioned in old books and WD. But these names are completely new. It seems that Specialist Games team started expanding Legios range on their own.

[Sandlemad]

What do you think about use of new Legions (Laniaskara, Kulisaetai, Tritonis, Damicium)? All Legions from previous books were created long before AT launch and mentioned in old books and WD. But these names are completely new. It seems that Specialist Games team started expanding Legios range on their own.

 

It's good! As ever there's the slightly disappointing side of things where they won't really be given a great deal of background (even the two pages Victorum got in Crusade was more and deeper than most AT legions) but still, quite a bit can be done with a small amount; Lysanda have a pretty evocative and distinct character that they managed to get across just through the name, the scheme, the heraldry and a few snippets of background. Here's hoping that's what comes through.

 

The low gothic names are rad as well, it's nice to see things that aren't compounds of FIRE, DEATH, and IRON. If they really want to nail the landing then a few more loyalist schemes that deviate from blue and white, and traitor schemes that deviate from red, black and orange would also be an improvement.

 

Anyone recognise anything in the high gothic names? Not even sure what RL language they're meant to be drawing from or emulating. 'Damicium' looks like cod-latin and Tritonis is suitably nautical to match 'Dark Tide'.

[Sherrypie]

The low gothic names are rad as well, it's nice to see things that aren't compounds of FIRE, DEATH, and IRON. If they really want to nail the landing then a few more loyalist schemes that deviate from blue and white, and traitor schemes that deviate from red, black and orange would also be an improvement.

While I agree with this, it still strikes me as funny since the first blue/white scheme that jumps to my mind is Tempestus and Oberon for black/orange respectively... :D

[noigrim]

Yes yes yesss

The echoes if glory seem a set of narrative missions

[1ncarnadine]

Anyone recognise anything in the high gothic names? Not even sure what RL language they're meant to be drawing from or emulating. 'Damicium' looks like cod-latin and Tritonis is suitably nautical to match 'Dark Tide'.

The "Lania" in Laniaskara is probably a reference to butchers (from either "Lanius," "Laniator," or "Lanio"), and "skara" may be a reference to a variety of words in old Norse/Icelandic, or just a direct reference to English via "scar."

 

I'm not sure with Kulisaetai but one possibility is that they started with "-cullis" from portcullis, referring to them being the Gatekeepers.

 

I suspect Damicium will become "Damnosus" (Codex Eye of Terror reference) but we'll have to wait and see.

[Interrogator Stobz]

Doesn't seem to be anywhere obvious for corrupted Titans to hide from that contents page... Guess we will have to wait for another book....

Yep; no Corrupted Titans, no more money from me.

Books are nice, buy more variations on the same stuff is not needed here.

[noigrim]

the warhound blastgun has 4 shots now? Is that a faq?

[Sherrypie]

the warhound blastgun has 4 shots now? Is that a faq?

No, but being Blast it can cause four hits with two shots.

[noigrim]

Like hitting two night or units? Edited September 30, 2020 by noigrim