New Codex SM supplements?

[BitsHammer]

All the supplements should be updated imo. Better to do it in one go and then focus on other factions after.

I disagree. 90% of those updates they "need" right now can be done in Chapter Approve or a FAQ. Come back to them in 2022 or 2023 after they've had time to see the edition shake out more to allow them to see where they want to take those books further, and let the studio spend some time getting other factions out. 8th was VERY Marine heavy and it's time to let other factions see some real attention first.

[Ishagu]

I completely agree that other factions need a lot of focus, and I hope they get it.

 

But they should finish updating each codex as it's released.

 

If the next Chaos Marine book is like the current Astartes codex, and has supplements for Black Legion, Iron Warriors, etc, then I'll want them all to be released close to each other also.

[BitsHammer]

I completely agree that other factions need a lot of focus, and I hope they get it.

 

But they should finish updating each codex as it's released.

 

If the next Chaos Marine book is like the current Astartes codex, and has supplements for Black Legion, Iron Warriors, etc, then I'll want them all to be released close to each other also.

The point of the supplements is to cut down on how much updating the sub-factions need when the codex drops. The only one left out in the cold right now is Templars (since we know DA is Jan). We don't need new supplements to replace the existing ones. We just need supplements to cover the sub factions who don't currently have one.

[Ishagu]

I disagree. Imperial Fists aren't in the best state, Raven Guard have dropped off in many ways, and they all lack Crusade rules, datasheets updated for 9th, etc.

 

If a codex is updated, all the sub factions relating to that codex should be as well. They don't need additional model releases, so they can release the book in quick succession.

[BitsHammer]

I disagree. Imperial Fists aren't in the best state, Raven Guard have dropped off in many ways, and they all lack Crusade rules, datasheets updated for 9th, etc.

 

If a codex is updated, all the sub factions relating to that codex should be as well. They don't need additional model releases, so they can release the book in quick succession.

They still take time to write, test, print and ship. And that takes away from other rulebooks.

 

Even without even MORE stuff the faction isn't in a bad place.

[SkimaskMohawk]

Before getting into "which chapters are doing well" again, I'm just going to say that the new supplements getting crusade and secondary objectives does mean the 8.5 supplements are outdated. Yes, theyre perfectly playable, yes they're still strong, yes other factions deserve their updates, and yes I'd be fine with a faq or CA (especially since my beloved epub wouldn't be invalidated). But no, they do not provide the full rules experience that the current 9th edition versions do and it'd be nice for them to have parity in content.

[Medjugorje]

 

 

It's not all about power. I want UM themed Crusade rules, for example.

Ultramarines are the archetype for Space Marines... so thats the least chapter who needs sort of this ruleset for their own chapter. And although the Black Templars more diverse then most other chapters (if not the most diverse if you exclude the wolves) - even them have very good crusade rules and fitting missions in the current codex.

Did I ever say other chapters should not be updated? I think you need to get over your dislike for the Ultramarines.

 

They should be updated alongside all of the codex chapters.

 

I play Ultramarines for myself. Its just what I think about Supplements. 

 

Dont understand me wrong. I would like to see new supplements for all chapters, but not before other factions get some love too.

[Medjugorje]

I disagree. Imperial Fists aren't in the best state, Raven Guard have dropped off in many ways, and they all lack Crusade rules, datasheets updated for 9th, etc.

 

If a codex is updated, all the sub factions relating to that codex should be as well. They don't need additional model releases, so they can release the book in quick succession.

everything you quoted could be made in campaign books as well. And in each campaigns there are always Marines involved. !!!!

[Ishagu]

Could be, but it likely won't be. I simply want rules parity for factions in the same codex. That is not unreasonable. The same could be said for the BA, DA, SW and DW.

 

I want crusade rules, themed objectives and rule updates to match what some of the chapters post 9th have received already.

[Medjugorje]

I think this will happen. As we saw the PA rules were transfered into codex / codex supplements, we will see a lot of campaign books alongside 9th edition which will be later transfered into the new supplemets in the late 9th edition.

 

So GW have a continuing reason to support Space Marines while other faction get their love too, the story can go on and everybody is happy (and of course they can sell the same rule twice, like they did with BA, SW Supplements)

[BitsHammer]

Could be, but it likely won't be. I simply want rules parity for factions in the same codex. That is not unreasonable. The same could be said for the BA, DA, SW and DW.

 

I want crusade rules, themed objectives and rule updates to match what some of the chapters post 9th have received already.

And no one is saying it shouldn't happen. They're saying it shouldn't happen right now. Marines can wait a while.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

 

Could be, but it likely won't be. I simply want rules parity for factions in the same codex. That is not unreasonable. The same could be said for the BA, DA, SW and DW.

 

I want crusade rules, themed objectives and rule updates to match what some of the chapters post 9th have received already.

And no one is saying it shouldn't happen. They're saying it shouldn't happen right now. Marines can wait a while.

 

 

Yep - the supplement updates will probably have to wait all the way to summer or fall, when they can be released in conjunction with the NEXT wave of Primaris models.

[Dracos]

He has a point about getting it over with and then being able to put the other factions in the spotlight. Otherwise it’s going to drag space marines on forever adding to Astartes animosity.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

He has a point about getting it over with and then being able to put the other factions in the spotlight. Otherwise it’s going to drag space marines on forever adding to Astartes animosity.

 

So you think having two different sets of releases for Marines next year (supplements early, and then the next wave of models - which we can guarantee are coming - later in the year) would lead to LESS Astartes animosity than simply doing them together?

[Ishagu]

Let's say that 3 months from now Orks are getting a release. If in that same month the White Scars are getting an updated supplement it will once again look like the Astartes get an update every time a Xenos faction does, and people will go on to complain about an unceasing stream of Marines. Even if there are no new models it will be still be talked about, analysed, played, etc

 

It's better to get it over with. Update the codex fully, all the chapters included, and then move on to other factions and focus entirely on them.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Let's say that 3 months from now Orks are getting a release. If in that same month the White Scars are getting an updated supplement it will once again look like the Astartes get an update every time a Xenos faction does, and people will go on to complain about an unceasing stream of Marines. Even if there are no new models it will be still be talked about, analysed, played, etc

 

It's better to get it over with. Update the codex fully, all the chapters included, and then move on to other factions and focus entirely on them.

 

That's a false dichotomy that completely omits my suggested scenario - releasing all of the supplements alongside the 2021 Primaris models (presumably late summer or fall). THAT wouid still address the complaints "about an unceasing stream of Marines" and even make said stream more compact by combining everything, rather than amounting to two separate sets of releases at different times of the year.

Edited December 3, 2020 by Lord Nord

[Ishagu]

Do we know there are more Primaris releases coming? I assumed the generic units will be do for a while, and I certainly don't think anyone should be waiting a full year for rule updates for armies in their codex.

[BLACK BLΠFLY]

The irony will be complaints about the supplement when it drops even to the point of some fraters might say they like the old rules better.

[BitsHammer]

He has a point about getting it over with and then being able to put the other factions in the spotlight. Otherwise it’s going to drag space marines on forever adding to Astartes animosity.

I'm not sure the animosity can get much worse. People are rightly burnt out on Astartes releases right now.

The irony will be complaints about the supplement when it drops even to the point of some fraters might say they like the old rules better.

That's normal internet. Humans are often nostalgic for old things, even if they have no personal experiance with them or complained about the old thing. Rose tinted glasses are far too real.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Do we know there are more Primaris releases coming? I assumed the generic units will be do for a while, and I certainly don't think anyone should be waiting a full year for rule updates for armies in their codex.

 

Why would GW skip a year on their most profitable faction when there are still so many obvious holes in the lineup, especially things like actual multi-part Outriders and a true equivalent to Assault Marines? Pretty sure both of those are coming next year and it was no accident that Assault Intercessors were released at a time when they didn't have to compete with actual Primaris Assault Marines or Vanguard Veterans (or, for that matter, a bike squad that could have more than three models).

 

No flying transports (aside from Forge World), no drop pods, no multi-part Suppressors, a Hammerfall turret that looks like it was designed to also show up on a tank, etc. Still a LOT of low-hanging fruit that GW would need to uncharacteristically ignore in order to not have a Primaris wave in 2021.

 

Plus, I'm choosing to believe Jes Goodwin was accurate when he said GW had the first five years of Primaris releases planned out before they ever announced their existence to the world. 2021 would be year five.

[BitsHammer]

Honestly as much as I want them to plug more holes in the Primaris line, and we still need a number of multipart kits, 2021 really needs a heavy focus on one of the other armies. Craftworlds and IG both need massive overhauls to their infantry kits for example, Orks are due for a refresh, and as are any Nids still using a slotta base.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

Honestly as much as I want them to plug more holes in the Primaris line, and we still need a number of multipart kits, 2021 really needs a heavy focus on one of the other armies. Craftworlds and IG both need massive overhauls to their infantry kits for example, Orks are due for a refresh, and as are any Nids still using a slotta base.

 

It's not like they can't do both. Death Guard got new models alongside the Primaris launch in 2017. Chaos Space Marines had a range overhaul in tandem with the Phobos releases in 2019. Necrons got their time in the spotlight as the opposing faction in 2020. And they updated Sisters on their own earlier in the year, just like Genestealer Cults had their time in early 2019. They could do the same with Guard.

Edited December 3, 2020 by Lord Nord

[BitsHammer]

With COVID affecting production leading into 2021 I doubt the release cycle will be starting off as strong. We're largely coasting on 2019 efforts right now and even those saw delays due to shut downs.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

With COVID affecting production leading into 2021 I doubt the release cycle will be starting off as strong. We're largely coasting on 2019 efforts right now and even those saw delays due to shut downs.

 

Well, indeed. Covid could be the X-Factor that causes them to actually skip doing the 2021 Primaris wave, assuming there is one planned (which I do assume, again because I think Jes was being very precise with the words he used when talking about the first five years of Primaris releases).

 

As for this year, I'd bet the original plan was that even the Dark Angels supplement was planned to come out before Christmas and accompany the last of the models that we're still waiting for - probably the Bladeguard and Storm Speeder if they were actually trying to be thematic about it.

Edited December 4, 2020 by Lord Nord

[BitsHammer]

 

With COVID affecting production leading into 2021 I doubt the release cycle will be starting off as strong. We're largely coasting on 2019 efforts right now and even those saw delays due to shut downs.

 

Well, indeed. Covid could be the X-Factor that causes them to actually skip doing the 2021 Primaris wave, assuming there is one planned (which I do assume, again because I think Jes was being very precise with the words he used when talking about the first five years of Primaris releases).

 

As for this year, I'd bet the original plan was that even the Dark Angels supplement was planned to come out before Christmas and accompany the last of the models that we're still waiting for - probably the Bladeguard and Storm Speeder if they were actually trying to be thematic about it.

 

Honestly that's my thought too. With made to order showing us that it can take them 6 months to fill orders, even if all the work was done any major project finished in 2020 might not see release until way later due to how long it takes just to make the sprues alone.