What lore progression would you like to see?

[Ishagu]

They absolutely should bring them back, and more at that.

 

Epic models that people want and that are guaranteed to sell.

 

I had concerns over the potential loss of the setting's mysticism, but the overly detailed and bloated Horus Heresy already ruined that.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

I think an issue is people not understanding that the setting has progressed and wanting more without accepting what has occurred so far.

We are 200 years into M42. A lot has happened.

• Cadia Fell
• The Great Rift opened
• Guilliman woke up
• The Eldar awoke a god (well it's semi awake...needs a coffee)
• The Indomitus Crusade happened
• The Ultima Founding
• The Silent King came home
• The Void Dragon got pinched from Mars
• Luther got out and the Fallen are amassing in Legion strength
• The 13th Great Company got rescued from Prospero

And that's only what i can list off of the top of my head. Has each event been written well with a satisfying conclusion? Well that is up to personal interpetation and it is not my pace to say yes or no. But a lot has happened in 1 edition and we're only just starting a new Edition. Give it time.

 

It hasn't been 200 years though. The Indomitus Crusade set out within a year of Cadia falling. It lasted 112 years. We haven't really seen much beyond that (Dark Imperium, Plague War, and The Great Work all take place over the course of several months following the end of the Crusade).

[BitsHammer]

 

I think an issue is people not understanding that the setting has progressed and wanting more without accepting what has occurred so far.

We are 200 years into M42. A lot has happened.

• Cadia Fell
• The Great Rift opened
• Guilliman woke up
• The Eldar awoke a god (well it's semi awake...needs a coffee)
• The Indomitus Crusade happened
• The Ultima Founding
• The Silent King came home
• The Void Dragon got pinched from Mars
• Luther got out and the Fallen are amassing in Legion strength
• The 13th Great Company got rescued from Prospero

And that's only what i can list off of the top of my head. Has each event been written well with a satisfying conclusion? Well that is up to personal interpetation and it is not my pace to say yes or no. But a lot has happened in 1 edition and we're only just starting a new Edition. Give it time.

 

It hasn't been 200 years though. The Indomitus Crusade set out within a year of Cadia falling. It lasted 112 years. We haven't really seen much beyond that (Dark Imperium, Plague War, and The Great Work all take place over the course of several months following the end of the Crusade).

 

9th also back pedalled a bit and is filling out the Indomitus Crusade a bit which is help add more meat to the bones.

[Ishagu]

It hasn't been 200 years though. The Indomitus Crusade set out within a year of Cadia falling. It lasted 112 years. We haven't really seen much beyond that (Dark Imperium, Plague War, and The Great Work all take place over the course of several months following the end of the Crusade).

Not anymore. DI and Plague War are being retconned. They now take place 12 years into the Crusade.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

 

It hasn't been 200 years though. The Indomitus Crusade set out within a year of Cadia falling. It lasted 112 years. We haven't really seen much beyond that (Dark Imperium, Plague War, and The Great Work all take place over the course of several months following the end of the Crusade).

Not anymore. DI and Plague War are being retconned. They now take place 12 years into the Crusade.

 

 

Yes, I know. I was speaking about the state of the 40K universe before the retcon. I've seen multiple references to a 200+-year time jump and nothing I've read backs that up. The Great Work WAS set maybe 113 years after the Fall of Cadia. The only thing set after that to my knowledge was the Space Marines Codex reference to the Vengeance Wars, which didn't have a timeframe attached and might have wrapped up in no more than a couple years.

Edited December 9, 2020 by Lord Nord

[BitsHammer]

 

It hasn't been 200 years though. The Indomitus Crusade set out within a year of Cadia falling. It lasted 112 years. We haven't really seen much beyond that (Dark Imperium, Plague War, and The Great Work all take place over the course of several months following the end of the Crusade).

Not anymore. DI and Plague War are being retconned. They now take place 12 years into the Crusade.

 

Unless I missed something, I don't think those books are getting retconned, just the timeline they sit on. And it's not like GW hasn't done stuff like that before.

[WARMASTER_]

I got the idea it was around 100 + the spears of emperor is set current time and its then but then with the time distortions it’s all relative now I guess

 

Isn’t there a short story where Guiliman is trying to figure it out?? And it’s way off base

[Ishagu]

 

 

 

It hasn't been 200 years though. The Indomitus Crusade set out within a year of Cadia falling. It lasted 112 years. We haven't really seen much beyond that (Dark Imperium, Plague War, and The Great Work all take place over the course of several months following the end of the Crusade).

Not anymore. DI and Plague War are being retconned. They now take place 12 years into the Crusade.

Unless I missed something, I don't think those books are getting retconned, just the timeline they sit on. And it's not like GW hasn't done stuff like that before.

The books are being altered. This time change means quite a few paragraphs and references throughout will be altered.

[Lord Nord in Gravis Armour]

 

 

 

It hasn't been 200 years though. The Indomitus Crusade set out within a year of Cadia falling. It lasted 112 years. We haven't really seen much beyond that (Dark Imperium, Plague War, and The Great Work all take place over the course of several months following the end of the Crusade).

Not anymore. DI and Plague War are being retconned. They now take place 12 years into the Crusade.

Unless I missed something, I don't think those books are getting retconned, just the timeline they sit on. And it's not like GW hasn't done stuff like that before.

The books are being altered. This time change means quite a few paragraphs and references throughout will be altered.

 

 

Well, Guy Haley did specifically say the books were being "retconned" in his interview. At the time, he was mainly speaking about the timeline placement, but there will be other alterations in there. He brought up the significance of breaking up the Unnumbered Sons so early vs. doing it at the end of a hundred-plus years of fighting. Also Guilliman will presumably be battling his conscience throughout the books as to whether he's doing the right thing even being in Ultramar when the wider conflict is still raging. That definitely wasn't a concern in the original publications, where he finished up the Crusade before he headed home.

[Doghouse]

Bring back STCs.

 

They never left. The Repulsor used Land's grav STC (finally rediscovered after it was lost presumably during the Heresy) and the chassis of the Repulsor is likely based on the Land Raider STC.

 

 

I mean as the primary focus for technological advance. It feels like the quest for templates was dropped in favour of the blackstone and I'm personally not a huge fan of the change of progression from the archeological feel of retrieval and the superstition to surrounding them to Cawl invents stuff. I understand the approach they are taking probably being based on the popularity of the Great Crusade/Heresy but I prefer the old school approach.

They have changed this direction with the Indomitus Crusade leaning more visually to an older Gothic crusade with the relics feel but I personally prefer the idea of tech and progress being slowed by superstitious mumbo jumbo.

I'd like to see them have it so we have this new tech suddenly but that is the limits of Cawl's work, so you get his injection of what it was like to be part of the Great Crusade and the hope that comes with it but this fades and things start slipping back to the old ways of technological dogma and superstition.

[BitsHammer]

 

Bring back STCs.

 

They never left. The Repulsor used Land's grav STC (finally rediscovered after it was lost presumably during the Heresy) and the chassis of the Repulsor is likely based on the Land Raider STC.

 

 

I mean as the primary focus for technological advance. It feels like the quest for templates was dropped in favour of the blackstone and I'm personally not a huge fan of the change of progression from the archeological feel of retrieval and the superstition to surrounding them to Cawl invents stuff. I understand the approach they are taking probably being based on the popularity of the Great Crusade/Heresy but I prefer the old school approach.

They have changed this direction with the Indomitus Crusade leaning more visually to an older Gothic crusade with the relics feel but I personally prefer the idea of tech and progress being slowed by superstitious mumbo jumbo.

I'd like to see them have it so we have this new tech suddenly but that is the limits of Cawl's work, so you get his injection of what it was like to be part of the Great Crusade and the hope that comes with it but this fades and things start slipping back to the old ways of technological dogma and superstition.

 

STCs are still in the lore, as popped up in the 8th ed Ad Mech book:

 

The Astraeus is based on an STC found by the Minotaurs chapter as well. The thing about STCs is they are rarely found through intentional searches, they more commonly stumbled upon.

[sarabando]

personally id like to see a massive shake up to the lore, kill the emperor and destroy Terra.

 

Then you have the chance to bring in the star child idea but dont confirm it so you have the imperium split between those who beleive the big E has been reborn and just needs finding and the side who thinks that him being reborn is not possible as a god cant be "reborn" and hes still around.

 

Have the Xenos races take a bigger role in things.

 

New Astronomicon etc.

 

Bring the Lion back and Put him in charge of one faction of the Imprium while Guilliman rules the other.

[dice4thedicegod]

personally id like to see a massive shake up to the lore, kill the emperor and destroy Terra.

 

Then you have the chance to bring in the star child idea but dont confirm it so you have the imperium split between those who beleive the big E has been reborn and just needs finding and the side who thinks that him being reborn is not possible as a god cant be "reborn" and hes still around.

 

Have the Xenos races take a bigger role in things.

 

New Astronomicon etc.

 

Bring the Lion back and Put him in charge of one faction of the Imprium while Guilliman rules the other.

Have the lion come back and butt heads with guilliman.

 

Have Dante lead the Wild West imperium nihilus.

 

That way, atheistic/optimistic guilliman has to deal with the decayed theological statism and Dante (born into and at home in the imperium) has to adapt to free wheeling empire building/preservation

 

Keep them both out of their comfort zone.... for the lols... I mean dramatic tension

[Lucerne]

Stop glossing over the traitor legions while wasting time on basically every successor chapter.

[Helias_Tancred]

1. Dante's great sacrifice and his crossing the rubicon primaris to save his life.

 

2. The Lion's return.

 

3. Corax's return.

[BitsHammer]

1. Dante's great sacrifice and his crossing the rubicon primaris to save his life.

 

2. The Lion's return.

 

3. Corax's return.

4. The Blood Angels stop being murdered down to a Marine everytime they show up in the lore.

[b1soul]

Just spitballing...

 

The Khan and the Wolf return to fight together as they were mean to

 

Guilliman the patrician statesman backed up by his two "barbarian" brother-primarchs.

[Scribe]

Stop glossing over the traitor legions while wasting time on basically every successor chapter.

Nah, we got Marines v2 to push...

[Plague _Lord]

I wouldn't want sanguinious comming back. I think Dante is a more intesresting charachter at the moment. I would like one of the loyalist primarchs come back as a traitor - I think this would actually help the setting a bit. Let it be the Lion even (it's easier to do with treachery being an established part f their lore).

 

I would like to see the word bearers go on a holy crusade with lorgar at the helm.

I would love to see a new warmaster of the imperial guard come to light - something akin to Macharius, with his influence rivalling Girlyman's and starting a great conquest.

 

But what I would love to see the most is new xeonos factions. I want those weird trees with guns!

[Lexington]

Have the lion come back and butt heads with guilliman.

I never really get the Roboute vs. The Lion idea that seems to be so widespread. Besides the fact that it sounds like the driving plot of a TV show long past its prime, wouldn’t El’Johnson be inclined to...support Guilliman? Like, maybe there’s some tension between them in the Heresy books, I don’t know, but with the galactic mess that’s facing them both, it’d be the height of silly melodrama for the two of them to go to war.

[Focslain]

 

Have the lion come back and butt heads with guilliman.

I never really get the Roboute vs. The Lion idea that seems to be so widespread. Besides the fact that it sounds like the driving plot of a TV show long past its prime, wouldn’t El’Johnson be inclined to...support Guilliman? Like, maybe there’s some tension between them in the Heresy books, I don’t know, but with the galactic mess that’s facing them both, it’d be the height of silly melodrama for the two of them to go to war.

 

 

There was a lot of tension between Roboute and the El'Johnson, and between the Lion and the Wolf.

 

But you have a point because 99% of the issues with the Lion could have been fixed if the guy just talked to his brothers. He was the walking embodiment of the Poor Communication Kills trope. Which is frustrating to get through when it's as overused as it is with the Lion.

[Snazzy]

Finally knowing all the details of the Lost Legions, instead of skirting around it.  With the Traitor Primarchs running around, i feel like we should know by now.

[BitsHammer]

 

 

 

Have the lion come back and butt heads with guilliman.

I never really get the Roboute vs. The Lion idea that seems to be so widespread. Besides the fact that it sounds like the driving plot of a TV show long past its prime, wouldn’t El’Johnson be inclined to...support Guilliman? Like, maybe there’s some tension between them in the Heresy books, I don’t know, but with the galactic mess that’s facing them both, it’d be the height of silly melodrama for the two of them to go to war.

There was a lot of tension between Roboute and the El'Johnson, and between the Lion and the Wolf.

 

But you have a point because 99% of the issues with the Lion could have been fixed if the guy just talked to his brothers. He was the walking embodiment of the Poor Communication Kills trope. Which is frustrating to get through when it's as overused as it is with the Lion.

He's just the manifestation of the Emperor's natural inclination to secrecy and poor communication.

[Evil Eye]

Finally knowing all the details of the Lost Legions, instead of skirting around it.  With the Traitor Primarchs running around, i feel like we should know by now.

I actually would really rather they didn't do that- half the appeal of the Second and the Eleventh is that even by the standards of 40K's early history, nobody knows anything about them. They've been completely forgotten- or rather, completely buried, as whatever they did was so heinous that it made the Heresy look like a slight wibble. There's something pretty cool about, in a setting where people are trying to dredge up every little scrap of lost knowledge from the past that they can, something so awful that it's been deliberately and completely erased. That, and the hint that there was some interference from Malal of all gods is pretty neat, and IMO at least about as much as we need to know. Also a cheeky way of saying "Yes, we're not actually allowed to use Malal anymore but we totally remember him and he sort of still exists" which is neat.

 

I did have a weird, weird dream once involving the Second Legion, who were female- the reason for their "retirement" being that the survival rates for new recruits were so pathetically low, and even those Marines who managed to survive the gene-forging often developing deformities (ala early Emperor's Children) that the Legion was declared "cursed" and the very few healthy survivors were kept on Terra for...some reason.

[b1soul]

I don't think whatever they did was more heinous than the Heresy. That doesn't make much sense to me.

 

It was likely bad or very embarrassing, but contained enough to be covered up effectively.

 

Harder to cover up nine legions going rebel, splitting the Imperium in twain and invading Terra.