jgascoine011 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Really confussed with the new codex. I am thinking of the list: Vanguard Detachment - Rapid Assault + Tactical Withdrawl Talon Master Chaplain on Bike DW Appothecary - Master Apothecary 3 x 9 Black Knights 10 DW Knights Do all units in this detachment gain OS and go i get my 3 CP back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Raziel Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I think no. The whole detachment has to either be all Ravenwing or all Deathwing. You can't have a mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaeza94 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) They need to have the deathwing OR inner circle key word for the vanguard detachment. Under current rules, it works to get the cp back Edit: actually the chaplain is what kills it. It doesn’t have inner circle Edited January 30, 2021 by jbaeza94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Except none of those units qualify for ObSec. Deathwing Terminator, Terminator, Terminator assault and Relic Terminators are the only units that can get ObSec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgascoine011 Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 Except none of those units qualify for ObSec. Deathwing Terminator, Terminator, Terminator assault and Relic Terminators are the only units that can get ObSec. Lol, so DW terminators dont count as terminators? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) Your list has no Deathwing Terminators, it has Deathwing Knights. Deathwing Knights do not get ObSec but as I stated Deathwing Terminators do. Edited January 30, 2021 by Vardus WrathOfTheLion and mooftak 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 They need to have the deathwing OR inner circle key word for the vanguard detachment. Under current rules, it works to get the cp back Edit: actually the chaplain is what kills it. It doesn’t have inner circle All deathwing gain inner circle for DA detachment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 But the Talon Master and Chaplain on a Bike, Primaris or Legends, are not Deathwing so would have to come with Inner Circle. The Talon Master does but neither version of the Chaplain has Inner Circle though, rendering the detachment as a mixed detachment. Having an Interrogator Chaplain on foot or bike (legends) would make this list a valid 1st Company detachment. The only problem then is none of the units can benefit from ObSec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 But the Talon Master and Chaplain on a Bike, Primaris or Legends, are not Deathwing so would have to come with Inner Circle. The Talon Master does but neither version of the Chaplain has Inner Circle though, rendering the detachment as a mixed detachment. Having an Interrogator Chaplain on foot or bike (legends) would make this list a valid 1st Company detachment. The only problem then is none of the units can benefit from ObSec. Oh, yeah. I forgot that chaplain on bike doesn't have deathwing keyword... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgascoine011 Posted January 30, 2021 Author Share Posted January 30, 2021 So if I swapped the characters for DW characters then I would get the CP back for being inner circle, but would not get OS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaeza94 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) You will always get your cp back if your warlord is in this detachment per the brb. For obsec, only eligible units would receive it, aka normal terminators, as long as all units have IC (which the chaplain does not). Since you don’t have any eligible units, no obsec. If you add in 1 terminator squad, then that squad alone would get obsec (as long as you replace the chaplain) Edited January 30, 2021 by jbaeza94 Vardus 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ramael Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 But the Talon Master and Chaplain on a Bike, Primaris or Legends, are not Deathwing so would have to come with Inner Circle. The Talon Master does but neither version of the Chaplain has Inner Circle though, rendering the detachment as a mixed detachment. Having an Interrogator Chaplain on foot or bike (legends) would make this list a valid 1st Company detachment. The only problem then is none of the units can benefit from ObSec. Half correct, the Talonmaster has Inner Circle so it's fine for the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 But the Talon Master and Chaplain on a Bike, Primaris or Legends, are not Deathwing so would have to come with Inner Circle. The Talon Master does but neither version of the Chaplain has Inner Circle though, rendering the detachment as a mixed detachment. Having an Interrogator Chaplain on foot or bike (legends) would make this list a valid 1st Company detachment. The only problem then is none of the units can benefit from ObSec. Half correct, the Talonmaster has Inner Circle so it's fine for the list. That's what I said I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 But the Talon Master and Chaplain on a Bike, Primaris or Legends, are not Deathwing so would have to come with Inner Circle. The Talon Master does but neither version of the Chaplain has Inner Circle though, rendering the detachment as a mixed detachment. Having an Interrogator Chaplain on foot or bike (legends) would make this list a valid 1st Company detachment. The only problem then is none of the units can benefit from ObSec. Half correct, the Talonmaster has Inner Circle so it's fine for the list. So, you can have a 1st company detachment without any deathwing units Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Yep, so long as it has the Inner Circle keywords in a Vanguard detachment it gain the 1st Company ability, but it is only any good if you have Terminators for ObSec, which then puts Deathwing units back in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ramael Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 But the Talon Master and Chaplain on a Bike, Primaris or Legends, are not Deathwing so would have to come with Inner Circle. The Talon Master does but neither version of the Chaplain has Inner Circle though, rendering the detachment as a mixed detachment. Having an Interrogator Chaplain on foot or bike (legends) would make this list a valid 1st Company detachment. The only problem then is none of the units can benefit from ObSec. Half correct, the Talonmaster has Inner Circle so it's fine for the list. That's what I said I think? My bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get Thokt Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Would the Primaris Librarian validate a Deathwing detachment and receive the 3CP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardus Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) Yes, they have the Inner Circle Deathwing keyword. Edit: Not forgetting that all other units must have Deathwing and/or Inner Circle too of course Edit 2: Wishful thinking on Primaris Units/Characters being part of the Inner Circle Edited January 31, 2021 by Vardus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davextreme Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Yeah Chaplains on Bikes are not Interrogator-Chaplains. “Chaplain” and “Interrogator-Chaplain” are different jobs. A Chaplain is in charge of the spiritual well-being of the troops. If he’s the 2nd company’s assigned Chaplain, he gets a bike. He’s probably partially inducted into some of the chapter’s secrets along with the rest of the Ravenwing, but he’s not Inner Circle. An Interrogator-Chaplain is in charge of capturing and questioning The Fallen. They’re not assigned to particular companies. (The Deathwing company also has a Chaplain. As a member of the Deathwing company he is Inner Circle.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isual Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Yes, they have the Inner Circle Deathwing keyword. Edit: Not forgetting that all other units must have Deathwing and/or Inner Circle too of course Edit 2: Wishful thinking on Primaris Units/Characters being part of the Inner Circle They used to have inner circle in the 8th edition codex. Is always funny if people argue against primaris in the inner cricle when every Primaris Librarian was in it at least rules wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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