Darkwrath121 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) Are boxnaughts still in the new edition. Seriously I don't get why one of the apparently many leakers on this site can't just give us a run down on what models made it and which didn't.If I had to guess (and is what I'd be worried about if I was a playtester), it may be the fear that different playtesters MAY have different units. So on the offchance you are outing your identity by leaking the units you didn't get. That's just the kind of thing that does happen to catch leakers out. And absolutely just part of a guess on my part Edited April 1, 2022 by Darkwrath121 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Boxnaughts are not in the new edition. Neither is artillery, lightnings, and a few other units. If you read what I wrote before, I suspect some of this will return to us in other army lists. Legion specific stuff is still open to speculation. They likely did one final revision before it went to print. Here's what's confirmed in: Preators Centurions except the warmonger Command squads Damocles Vets Terminators Destroyers Apothacries Tech marines Contemptors Rapiers Tacticals Despoilers Assault squads Breachers Support squads Recon squads Scout squads Rhinos Drop pods Dreadnought drop pods Termites Seekers Outriders Sabers Sky-hunters Javlins Land speeds Storm eagles Xiphons Dreadclaws Leviathans Derdeos Heavy support squads Predators Sicarans of all flavors Kratos Land raider proteus Spartans Scorpius Arquitors Fire raptors Deathstorm drop pods Kharybdi Cerebrus Typhon Glaive Fellblade Falchion Thunderhawk Stormbird Mastodon Darkwrath121, Spagunk, Noserenda and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwrath121 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I do admit I have another rules question, actually. Has relentless changed? If so, what does it do now? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrans Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Boxnaughts are not in the new edition. Neither is artillery, lightnings, and a few other units. If you read what I wrote before, I suspect some of this will return to us in other army lists. Legion specific stuff is still open to speculation. They likely did one final revision before it went to print. Here's what's confirmed in: Preators Centurions except the warmonger Command squads Damocles Vets Terminators Destroyers Apothacries Tech marines Contemptors Rapiers Tacticals Despoilers Assault squads Breachers Support squads Recon squads Scout squads Rhinos Drop pods Dreadnought drop pods Termites Seekers Outriders Sabers Sky-hunters Javlins Land speeds Storm eagles Xiphons Dreadclaws Leviathans Derdeos Heavy support squads Predators Sicarans of all flavors Kratos Land raider proteus Spartans Scorpius Arquitors Fire raptors Deathstorm drop pods Kharybdi Cerebrus Typhon Glaive Fellblade Falchion Thunderhawk Stormbird Mastodon They also dropped the nullificator Primus from the Cent line up mate. Should we create a unit dropped list? :P Brofist 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Haha yeah, known dropped units list. Get the pain out of our systems early Aztek and MegaVolt87 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Aw man, I just bought a boxnaught I guess I'll wait to build him to see if I should paint him green instead of black. I like the stompy lads, I'm more partial to them than any of the other ones listed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrans Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) Removed stuffConsuls -Warmonger -Nullificator Nullificators Boxnoughts Contemptor Cortus Mortis Boxnaught Contemptor Mortis Hussar Squad Sky Seekers Attack Bikes(?) Tarantulas Primaris Lightning Sky-Slayers Land Raider Achilles Land Riader Achilles Alpha Legion Basilik Legion Medusa Caestus Assault Ram Legion Malcador PoW LoWs Baneblade Family Macharius Family Malcador Family Actual Book LoW Drops Stormblade Thunderhawk Transporter Big stupid terrain piece Legion Specific (that we've seen in leaks etc so is spotty at best, also factor in exemplary battle units are goneski as well) Dark Angels Firewing Enigmatus Cabal Ironwing Excindio Automata Mardruk Sedras Farith Redloss EC Ancient Rylaanor IW Iron Havocs Golg Vhalen Dreygur White Scars Falcons Claws (probably) Tsolmon Khan (?) SW (?) IF (?) NL Mawdrym Kheron Ophion Makrid Thole BA Aster Crohne IH Castrmen Orth Autek Mor Shadrak Meduson World Eaters Shabran Darr Gahlan Surlak (by extension Inductii) Ultras Fulmentarus (?) Locutarus Storm (?) Honored Telemchrus DG Crysos Morturg Durak Rask 1ksons Ammatara Cabal SoH Tybalt Marr WB Hol Beloth Sallies Cassian Dracos Dracos Reborn Chaplain Nomus Xiaphas Jurr RG Darkwing Gunship Alvarex Maun Kaedus Nex AL SkorrBlackshieldsBlack Shield Reaver LordBS Marauder Squads Good chance I've missed stuff/put stuff on the list that has been confirmed, but its a start. P.S. I'm not buying units were dropped to 'reduce book load' when we have pages for 'Praetor', 'Praetor in Tartaros Armour' etc... Edited April 1, 2022 by TheTrans Brofist, Noserenda, Marshal Rohr and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordhellblade Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Is anyone else super disappointed in the Blood Angel stuff? World Eaters get chainaxes for free which essentially do what our trait does at all times and then they get their own legion trait on top of it. The blade of perdition stuff is cool but not exactly a buff I would say. And the rites of war are alright but not exactly stellar. Unless they are planning on reworking the legion trait I don’t see myself bringing them out very much, my main opponent is World Eaters and his army will just do what I do but much better in every single way as of now. I have the feeling that Blood Angels will fare better than people give'em credit for. They get things that the Khornate doofuses do not like Inferno pistols and assault cannons to crack vehicles open. Day of Revelation was nerfed, but Day of Sorrows was buffed and the restriction on vehicles was lifted. Crimson Paladins might get fixed after all this time. Like with Emperor's Children, there is more to Blood Angels than pure melee. Russ took a legion of savages and made them into warriors. Angron took a legion of warriors and turned them into savages. But Sanguinius? He took a legion of degenerates and made them into a host of angels. http://i.4pcdn.org/tg/1648684841168.jpg In other news, Grey Slayers are now their own unit. The tactical role of the old unit has been given to the new Grey Stalkers: http://i.4pcdn.org/tg/1648683523317.png Wolfbros, what do you think of this? Feels very redundant role wise, especially since the Grey Slayers have been cleaned up loadout wise and Blood Claws are supposed to be a thing during the Heresy per Collected Visions, Especially because in "1.0" You could just take a tactical squad as non compulsory troops. Hell in the Insignia section in Inferno there's even a Space Wolf tactical icon separate from the Grey Slayer heraldry. And when I think what the Space Wolves in the Heresy need, I'm not thinking another bespoke unit, especially when a lot of the Space Wolf's unique units can be rather accurately represented by what we already have, like Assault Marines for Skyclaws, Hussars or outriders for Swiftclaws and they already have unique troops outside of FOC shifting in the form of Grey Slayers More, a Praetor upgrade in the vein of the Iron Warriors or Iron Hands, and revised warlord traits, Though from what I can make out about the text, mentions these had a lot of terran vets in the legion in their numbers which is cool, since I never liked how Wolfsbane made it seem all the Terran's in the VIth were dead Still want rules for the Consul-Opsequiari tho Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james71989 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Anyone see raldarons rules yet? Is he still pretty much the same as current edition? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushman101 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 If that 'removed model' list is true, I've dodged a few bullets. But some of the removed stuff seems unbelievable. I mean, no Baneblades, Attack Bikes or Thunderhawks? Seriously? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkwrath121 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 If that 'removed model' list is true, I've dodged a few bullets. But some of the removed stuff seems unbelievable. I mean, no Baneblades, Attack Bikes or Thunderhawks? Seriously? Just the transporter. The regular is around. painting.for.my.sanity 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I do admit I have another rules question, actually. Has relentless changed? If so, what does it do now? Not really. Still heavy, ordnance and rapid fire. Anyone see raldarons rules yet? Is he still pretty much the same as current edition? His warlord trait is MUCH more robust. Otherwise he's very close to the same. Darkwrath121 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztek Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I do admit I have another rules question, actually. Has relentless changed? If so, what does it do now? Not really. Still heavy, ordnance and rapid fire. Anyone see raldarons rules yet? Is he still pretty much the same as current edition? His warlord trait is MUCH more robust. Otherwise he's very close to the same. Spagunk have you seen Corswain's rules? How's he looking? Is he worthy of being essentially the 1st captain of the 1st? Does he stand with Siggy and Sevatar at the top? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
james71989 Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 I do admit I have another rules question, actually. Has relentless changed? If so, what does it do now?Not really. Still heavy, ordnance and rapid fire. Anyone see raldarons rules yet? Is he still pretty much the same as current edition?His warlord trait is MUCH more robust. Otherwise he's very close to the same. Same points as before Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Wheres the Whirlwind at given its appeared on neither list ooi? I find the extensive list of missing units a pretty cheap move when, as mentioned, they are happy to splash pages on redundant praetors or near identical space wolf units that mostly serve to needlessly split an existing unit as i understand it? (Not too familiar with SW in 30k myself if im wrong!) Im hoping they are in missing sections of at the very least a legends equivalent but really the pointed disregard for existing collections is individually annoying and a real red flag for the teams attitude to even the absolute flagship, money spinning army list. God help the others at this rate. TheTrans 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) I do admit I have another rules question, actually. Has relentless changed? If so, what does it do now?Not really. Still heavy, ordnance and rapid fire.Anyone see raldarons rules yet? Is he still pretty much the same as current edition?His warlord trait is MUCH more robust. Otherwise he's very close to the same.Same points as before His stat line has changed slightly but remains the same as before ;) Edited April 1, 2022 by Spagunk Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armillion Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Waiting to see what is 100% confirmed in the final ruleset for units. That said, currently would lose the following: Crysos Morturg - converted from spare bits, so whatever 2 Boxnauts - annoying 5 Nullificators - this was a lot of work to convert up with the toxiferran flamers, I don't think I have the heart to rip all that work apart to convert them back to bog-standard cataphractii. I will homebrew these in gameplay if I have to. 2 Basilisks - no good reason why these should be gone 1 Standard Achilles - massive conversion project for the last 2 months from a LR Redeemer since the real thing disappeared back years ago and I had literally planned to buy it the month after it disappeared back then. Probably the closest I have ever gotten to going for a recast but instead I put in dozens of hours, kitbashing, greenstuff and plasticard that has gone into making my own Achilles based upon pictures. I was planning to finally prime it this weekend. Yeah... this one really hurts personally. TheTrans and painting.for.my.sanity 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spagunk Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Spagunk have you seen Corswain's rules? How's he looking? Is he worthy of being essentially the 1st captain of the 1st? Does he stand with Siggy and Sevatar at the top? I don't have book 9 to know if he's different but he's a bit more expensive than raldoran is now but looks tougher in general. He's not a duelist as much as Siggy is so I wouldn't quite put him at that level. Darkwrath121, WrathOfTheLion and Aztek 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) There's ones I understand, like the Caestus which has been OOP, or the Malcador which hasn't been listed under Legionnes Astartes (on the web store) for a few years now. But I think cutting half the Dark Angels datasheets is rough, and I hope we see a further release then making up for that. Their own 'special' FW characters from before that have no model I understand getting cut, but I don't want to see legions with no named characters when they haven't been graced with models yet. Boxnaughts, Basilisks and Medusas I think are the most rough, because you can still straight buy them. Edited April 1, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion Brother Sutek 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aztek Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Thanks for the response! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Removed stuff Consuls -Warmonger -Nullificator Nullificators Boxnoughts Contemptor Cortus Mortis Boxnaught Contemptor Mortis Hussar Squad Sky Seekers Attack Bikes(?) Tarantulas Primaris Lightning Sky-Slayers Land Raider Achilles Land Riader Achilles Alpha Legion Basilik Legion Medusa Caestus Assault Ram Legion Malcador PoW LoWs Baneblade Family Macharius Family Malcador Family Actual Book LoW Drops Stormblade Thunderhawk Transporter Big stupid terrain piece Legion Specific (that we've seen in leaks etc so is spotty at best, also factor in exemplary battle units are goneski as well) Dark Angels Firewing Enigmatus Cabal Ironwing Excindio Automata Mardruk Sedras Farith Redloss EC Ancient Rylaanor IW Iron Havocs Golg Vhalen Dreygur White Scars Falcons Claws (probably) Tsolmon Khan (?) SW (?) IF (?) NL Mawdrym Kheron Ophion Makrid Thole BA Aster Crohne IH Castrmen Orth Autek Mor Shadrak Meduson World Eaters Shabran Darr Gahlan Surlak (by extension Inductii) Ultras Fulmentarus (?) Locutarus Storm (?) Honored Telemchrus DG Crysos Morturg Durak Rask 1ksons Ammatara Cabal SoH Tybalt Marr WB Hol Beloth Sallies Cassian Dracos Dracos Reborn Chaplain Nomus Xiaphas Jurr RG Darkwing Gunship Alvarex Maun Kaedus Nex AL Skorr Blackshields Black Shield Reaver Lord BS Marauder Squads Good chance I've missed stuff/put stuff on the list that has been confirmed, but its a start. P.S. I'm not buying units were dropped to 'reduce book load' when we have pages for 'Praetor', 'Praetor in Tartaros Armour' etc... Brutal :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yodhrin Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) Removing boxnaughts is just dumb - people were going to buy your new plastic Contemptor anyway GW - but why get rid of the Contemptor Mortis? Anyway since we're apparently not allowed to see the doccos ourselves, I'd appreciate it if the folk who have could clarify what's up with Destroyers? I've seen vague references to two different subtypes. Edited April 1, 2022 by Yodhrin infyrana 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 Removing boxnaughts is just dumb, people were going to buy your new plastic Contemptor anyway GW, but why get rid of the Contemptor Mortis? Anyway since we're apparently not allowed to see the doccos ourselves, I'd appreciate it if the folk who have could clarify what's up with Destroyers? I've seen vague references to two different subtypes. One thing people need to consider with some of these units going away is if their profile could have been consolidated into another and its special bonus made into an upgrade. Varyn, Brofist and Loquille 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrathOfTheLion Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) Do you think boxnaughts are part of the Contemptor datasheet then? I guess at the end of the day, they're on a 60mm base with a similar loadout, so we can run them as that.I understand the Mortis/Cortus almost certainly are folded in as such. Edited April 1, 2022 by WrathOfTheLion Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTrans Posted April 1, 2022 Share Posted April 1, 2022 (edited) Removing boxnaughts is just dumb, people were going to buy your new plastic Contemptor anyway GW, but why get rid of the Contemptor Mortis? Anyway since we're apparently not allowed to see the doccos ourselves, I'd appreciate it if the folk who have could clarify what's up with Destroyers? I've seen vague references to two different subtypes. One thing people need to consider with some of these units going away is if their profile could have been consolidated into another and its special bonus made into an upgrade. Mm...doesn't hold water when they have separate data sheets based on what terminator armour a model has. +5pts a model, the whole unit may be upgraded to Cataphractii armour, increasing their invuln save to 4+, -1" to their movement characteristic and each model gets the unit type (Heavy) in addition to those they already have. Isn't hard. Edited April 1, 2022 by TheTrans Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/115/#findComment-5810422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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