Gorgoff Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I don't think they'll ditch the black book format. Additional softcover books I can imagine, though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5715439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabando Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I like a book for each legion focussing on their fluff art and hobby stuff. I miss the old codex's that had loads of pics of other people's minis in :( Pacific81 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5715454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petitioner's City Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 So Fists and Sons of Horus - if this is a boxset and not just a core range release, where/when is it set? Mars? Solar War? Siege of Terra itself? I guess GW have the luxury of an evolving narrative and they can just make up a new conflict but those are the only three I can think of currently. Mars makes the most sense to me, given this doesn't appear to have any late-heresy aesthetics - seeing as the Imperial Fists' involvement in the schism revolved around extracting as many suits of power armour from the planet's surface (particularly MkVI) as possible before the blockade closed, it would explain the pattern of power armour and the presence of a force of Sons of Horus to oversee the Warmaster's plans would also be logical. Plus it fits with the next thing after it being Dark Mechanicum. We havent reached SOT yet have we? That's the rub, isn't it? The BL books outpaced FW because development on Inferno, Malevolence, and Crusade took so long. I don't know if the original plan for 20+ FW books could have survived that; it's a disaster from a management perspective. My guess is one or two more FW books (one for Mars and the Dark Mechanicum, a second for Shadow Crusade, or just Shadow Crusade to Chaos-ify the traitor legions and do Sarum/Dark Mechanicum) before the siege books start. I don't think there were ever meant to be in sync, not least since heresy was already 6 years old when Betrayal was released and - other than the novellas released with Betrayal at Calth, and perhaps Titandeath - there was never any synchronicity between what BL published by date and the black book series. You also have the black books continuing during that strange time when Black Library was sucked into Publications (see http://www.trackofwords.com/2017/02/11/black-library-there-and-back-again-with-laurie-goulding/). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5716252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted July 3, 2021 Share Posted July 3, 2021 I have once again been staring into the well of leaked plastic heresy pics, and I'm convinced that the Sons of Horus character is in cataphractii armour - you can just about make out the shin on the leg closest to the camera and it's way wider than those of the tacticals around them, or the other character - you can also make out wide trim running along the bottom of the plate, and while cataphractii shins typically have that trim along the top of the shins, it's got the same distinctive thickness and angled shape you don't really find elsewhere. It also looks like they might be wielding an axe, as you can see glare coming off something that looks metallic in the shape of a haft tip and the top edge of a blade. It kinda makes sense to me if this is the case, as using the spartan as a taxi for your HQ & their cataphractii bodyguard is likely gonna be a very popular use. Loquille, Grim Dog Studios, Joe and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5716280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparika Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 But the cataphracti and Spartans are painted as Imperial Fists.In Betrayal at Calth, the cataphracti hero and squad were ultramarines, the chaplain diabolist was MkIV and the Word Bearers had 20 tactical MkIV marines for the 10 ultramarines.Here the split seems the same, at least on this picture. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5716759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 To me, the shape of the highlight on the leg looks exactly the same as on the Mark VI Marines – specifically, compare the Son of Horus nearest the dice at the bottom. “Mark VI characters” seems like a product category they would logically want to expand more than Cataphractii, where we already have two generic options plus half of the Legion-specific Terminator Praetors. But it’s hard to reach any conclusion from that image. It occurred to me that Hussars and Sky Seekers would be prime candidates for Mark VI riders that match the new plastics, probably why we haven't seen them yet. Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5716769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 We should be due up another Legion Dispatch soon, come to think of it. Hexagon Sun 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry Nostraman Lizard Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 To me, the shape of the highlight on the leg looks exactly the same as on the Mark VI Marines – specifically, compare the Son of Horus nearest the dice at the bottom. “Mark VI characters” seems like a product category they would logically want to expand more than Cataphractii, where we already have two generic options plus half of the Legion-specific Terminator Praetors. But it’s hard to reach any conclusion from that image. It occurred to me that Hussars and Sky Seekers would be prime candidates for Mark VI riders that match the new plastics, probably why we haven't seen them yet. Plastic Legion Hussars/Outriders would be amazing. It would make more sense to shove in the plasma guns/bolters/miniguns all onto one sprue and just let people buy the box for all three, and "Hussars" is more distinct than "Outriders", which there's now a 40k one I believe. We should be due up another Legion Dispatch soon, come to think of it. Either tomorrow (the 13th) or Friday, I'm betting. Hfran Morkai and Joe 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 Hard agree that plastic bikers would be appreciated (along with attack bikes). Because the cost of three FW ones makes me want to cry and hopefully being pure plastic as opposed to a hybrid plastic-resin kit it'd be better value (or at least contain the actual weapon options as I'm sure the FW ones don't come with Meltaguns). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I'd much rather see jetbikes in plastic - they're more inconically Heresy for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) Bikes wise, I would prefer plastic outriders + attack bikes in mk VI and the new hussars in mk III plastic. Would be an auto buy for many 40k SM/CSM players to boot. Edited July 13, 2021 by MegaVolt87 Gorgoff 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zedmeister Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Doing the rounds - a bunch of rumours so salt required https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/ojaa65/horus_heresy_age_of_darkness/: As known, we will get a Horus Heresy reboot in November. A little Bird twittered... Note that some Points were maybe already leaked. New "Edition" in Nov 2021 GW will overtake Horus Heresy as a "new" System from FW Own Ruleset like the last one from FW, not a 9th Edition 40k adaption like many guess Many new Plastic Sets are planned to replace FW Resin Models which will be also useful with 40k Armies GW will overtake the Decals for all 18 Legions, Characteres and very Legion specific Stuff remains with FW As a new Main System, Horus Heresy Story will expanded with Themed Expansions like the "Warzone" Books in 40k - the reboot beginns with the Battle for the Sol System, later they will revisit earlier "Warzones" like Istvaan III, Istvaan V, Prospero, Tallarn ect. with focus on certain Factions Warzone Expansions replace the "Black Books" permanently Horus Heresy is planned over many Years and will also Expanded into a "Age of Darkness" Game with multiple Setting, including the Scourge or the Great Crusade (see The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit as "Middleearth" SBG) Hungry Nostraman Lizard and TrawlingCleaner 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 As much as I don't want the Black Books gone, the Warzone books have proved successful for GW ( for both 40k and Titanicus) so I can see them replacing the Black Books with them instead. I'm not a fan of the idea of GW taking over the decals, since the FW ones are so damn much better than the GW ones, unless GW just takes over the printing of the Legion decals and leaves the sheets as they are. With the rest of it I'm all for and would breath some fresh live into the game, would even allow the game to be acceptable in GW stores where at the moment it seems to be (from what I've seen on the internet) up to the individual store manager Give me that plastic GW. Brother Sutek and Hungry Nostraman Lizard 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old-Four-Arms Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 The same rumours also mention that the images we've seen so far (MKVI, Spartan) are part of a launch box (i.e. while stocks last..) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 The idea of decals changing concerns me. Half tempted to order a bunch of the transfer sheets now, just in case. MadHatter5045, LameBeard and Hungry Nostraman Lizard 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadHatter5045 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) The idea of decals changing concerns me. Half tempted to order a bunch of the transfer sheets now, just in case. Same. This is the definition of taking something good away to replace it with a lower quality item and acting like they did us a favor. Edit: These rumors are starting to give me the "Last Chance to Buy" feels. Edited July 13, 2021 by MadHatter5045 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 Not necessarily lower quality but given all the historical examples I can think of I think I'd choose the FW sheets every time. GW may knock it out of the park but I really like the FW sheets and definitely don't want to risk running out for my Sixth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I don't see why they would spend extra money re-designing the decals. All they would need to change is the trade marks and date. Nothing wrong with the existing legion decals. Cris R, MadHatter5045 and Hungry Nostraman Lizard 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hungry Nostraman Lizard Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Echoing everyone's thoughts on the decals. The "new" Night Lord ones from GW that came out with the CSM range redesign with the troops are a joke. They're some sort of orange/grape fruit red, the skulls and wings look ridiculously cartoony. Brother Sutek, MadHatter5045 and Ghorgul 3 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Hands Fanatic Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) Doing the rounds - a bunch of rumours so salt required https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/ojaa65/horus_heresy_age_of_darkness/: As known, we will get a Horus Heresy reboot in November. A little Bird twittered... Note that some Points were maybe already leaked. New "Edition" in Nov 2021 GW will overtake Horus Heresy as a "new" System from FW Own Ruleset like the last one from FW, not a 9th Edition 40k adaption like many guess Many new Plastic Sets are planned to replace FW Resin Models which will be also useful with 40k Armies GW will overtake the Decals for all 18 Legions, Characteres and very Legion specific Stuff remains with FW As a new Main System, Horus Heresy Story will expanded with Themed Expansions like the "Warzone" Books in 40k - the reboot beginns with the Battle for the Sol System, later they will revisit earlier "Warzones" like Istvaan III, Istvaan V, Prospero, Tallarn ect. with focus on certain Factions Warzone Expansions replace the "Black Books" permanently Horus Heresy is planned over many Years and will also Expanded into a "Age of Darkness" Game with multiple Setting, including the Scourge or the Great Crusade (see The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit as "Middleearth" SBG) I'm always curious about whether GW 'taking over' aspects of Heresy is a misunderstanding of stuff like Titanicus/ Necromunda plastics and decals being sold through the main GW site - they're still designed and produced by specialist games, just available on the main site. It's extremely unlikely in my mind that 30k isn't going to continue under the purview of FW/specialist games given they're also supposed to continue producing resin kits for it, exactly like all the other specialist games. Edited July 13, 2021 by Iron Hands Fanatic Noserenda, MadHatter5045, Brofist and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 IHF, I think it's the general concern that GW will take 30k and mess about with it is what's getting people. Yes, GW are getting better at handling things but this is still the same company that took the very.... blunt approach to releasing Primaris which they are still working the lore out for (hell they pulled the timeline back a hundred years to do so). So that's my main concern regarding GW taking over from FW. Yes, we'll get plastic kits and regular releases which is going to be AMAZING (plastic Malcador tanks please GW!!!) but I'm worried about if there will be a 'catch' with this and what it will be. Hungry Nostraman Lizard and Brofist 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadHatter5045 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 In the grim darkness of the future there is always a monkey's paw involved... (so be careful what you wishlist for) Brother Sutek 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 30k will remain a part of specialist games, it will just be more visible in normal GW channels with the vast plastic expansion, as all plastic stuff is part of the Citadel miniatures brand. Saying ‘GW’ will take over from ‘FW’ just shows a complete misunderstanding of how GW works these days. Forgeworld is literally a website and GW resin miniatures brand name these days. Cris R and Brofist 2 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) Before people get sucked into this particular set of rumours: the person that posted these has posted a bunch of random rumours on reddit for a whole range of products, deleting those that got poor reactions, and even many of his extant rumours aren't particularly believable. I'm not inclined to think these are anything more than educated guesses (and that's being generous) unless he is pasting it from somewhere else. Edited July 13, 2021 by Marshal Loss MegaVolt87 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 So not a rumour or anything, but the new Crowe model might be a warning for scale creep he towers over the grey knights; the original resins are notably slender and might be dominated in the same way scouts line up poorly with primaris. Brofist 1 Back to top Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/369602-state-of-the-union-heresy/page/30/#findComment-5719716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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