State of the Union (Heresy)

[Captain Idaho]

 

The potential for HH 2.0 is really exciting for me, since a few of my friends are interested in starting Legion forces and this could be the catalyst I needed ;)

Whether this is a big ol' starter with a Spartan or that's an extra, it all looks very promising.

I might even replace all the MK6 helms with Praetor helms if I go Ultramarines with my new models.

Or do I start ANOTHER Legion? Agony of choice.

 

 

Brother, you definitely start ANOTHER Legion!

There's a very real chance I'll do both!

 

*Gulps*

[WrathOfTheLion]

Another Legion could be the way to go. This is exciting for a Raven Guard legion I've been looking to start.

[Marshal Loss]

Yeah I'm thinking another Legion as well, just so I can enforce scale consistency.

[Morngrym]

Yeah I'm thinking another Legion as well, just so I can enforce scale consistency.

 

This is the way.

 

(and my apologies for mixing Sci-fi universes with this quote)  

[Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch]

This could very well be the box set that pushes me into collecting Heresy (seeing as I was interested in buying Calth and/or prospero when they came out for dual use with 40k but eventually settled for a single squad of mkiii from eBay because plastic crack is expensive, :laugh: ). Even if the price is projected to be 200 GBP, aka more than 350 USD according to GW’s math. Anybody remember how much the Titanicus starter cost in USD?

 

The real trick will be determining which legion I paint them as. Do I go with one of my DIY legions? Do I do Emperor’s Children, or Iron Hands, or a shattered legion of the two? I have like four or five options.

 

And then of course there’s the question of whether or not I really need a fourth army. I promised myself I wasn’t going to buy any more 40k til I bought chimeras for my guard but I’ve already broken that promise by buying a Monolith, so what’s a few models for a different game system anyway? :P

[Gorgoff]

This could very well be the box set that pushes me into collecting Heresy (seeing as I was interested in buying Calth and/or prospero when they came out for dual use with 40k but eventually settled for a single squad of mkiii from eBay because plastic crack is expensive, :laugh: ). Even if the price is projected to be 200 GBP, aka more than 350 USD according to GW’s math. Anybody remember how much the Titanicus starter cost in USD?

 

The real trick will be determining which legion I paint them as. Do I go with one of my DIY legions? Do I do Emperor’s Children, or Iron Hands, or a shattered legion of the two? I have like four or five options.

 

And then of course there’s the question of whether or not I really need a fourth army. I promised myself I wasn’t going to buy any more 40k til I bought chimeras for my guard but I’ve already broken that promise by buying a Monolith, so what’s a few models for a different game system anyway?

Since it is 30k and not 40k you won't break your promise. 

Edited June 14, 2021 by Gorgoff

[Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch]

You make a compelling argument, enabling internet person!

 

Now I just have to hope the price is semi-reasonable. (For the size of course).

[sarabando]

price dependent i shall pick up 2 boxes at release. if its 30 marines dread tank 2 characters 5 termies

il add

10 to my sons of horus

 

10 to my Ultras

 

10 to my scars

 

10 to my fists

 

20 as shattered legions probably RG

 

5 termies to SOH

 

5 to shattered legion probably sallies

 

1 tank to SOH

 

1 to IF

 

both dreads to my 1ksons to follow a pravien around

 

and the characters will be converted into all sorts of goodies depending on their sculpts

 

*dear warp beasts please make GW see sense and price this closer to BAC and BOP than there more recent releases*

[Spagunk]

I highly doubt the tank will be in the set. Either it's an update (hard to tell but doesn't have that resin crispness) or its a separate plastic kit. Chances are, it's only included in the picture for reference/atmosphere.

[No Foes Remain]

You could be right, though it had the box set picture-vibe to me.

 

Though for myself, the Mk6 are going as Alpha Legion allies for my Sons of Horus, the characters will depend on what they look like but the termies and the spartan will go for my Ultras.

 

But didn't the original rumour say 5 kits? So if the set is one, the mk6 are another alongside the spartan and the dread what's the 5th?

[Corswain]

Bit of a shame that GW hasn't done an official announcement yet but I completely understand that they have everything geard towards AoS right now. Still, they had a nice hi-res pic of one of the new orks up this morning - C'mon GW, show me your beakies! Edited June 14, 2021 by Corswain

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

Don't see them touching the Calth/Prospero hex boardgame system again.

 

Curious whether GW will react to the leak today or if they'll wait till Monday. Interesting times. They must be fuming with that Dominion thingy on the near horizon. What a day to be a 30k fan. Feel greedy because I want more, more, more.

 

I wonder if the games just didn't test well. I liked the Deathwatch game, and they were solid ways to introduce the games to new players. Maybe the materials got more expensive as board games have boomed in general. Super happy for 30k players, but I don't think I could justify the plunge until the books get a bit more affordable. 

 

My only only concern is that the new MKVI are a different scale to my existing MKIV, as then it would look a bit odd fielding them in the same force.

 

But otherwise I'm buying 3. 

 

If they're the same size as the relatively recent Chaos releases you won't notice the difference. My wolves and deathwatch blended nicely and the deathwatch are the same size as the new chaos stuff, it wasn't until primaris that the difference in scale was really noticeable. In hindsight I also think a lot of why I noticed the difference so much was because I had improved as a painter as well.   

[Darkwrath121]

I think the thing about this that's especially got my attention/imagination (in combination with the array of now-likely rumours that have swirled around the plastic boxset idea for months now) is the idea that this is more than just a new BaC-style release. It's the launch of a "new" specialist game. I very much suspect that the photo is of some of the initial releases of a new GW-sold Horus Heresy range, in line with the business models of Necromunda and Titanicus. With rule/army-books inside the boxset, and sold on the GW site etc. Quarterly releases, so on and so forth. The chatter about other armour marks and vehicles being made in plastic kinda add to this.

 

Not exactly an unexpected development in the long term, but I'm excited to see it actually pulled off with an already existing system. Assuming that's actually what's happening.

Edited June 14, 2021 by Darkwrath121

[Dark Legionnare]

 

Don't see them touching the Calth/Prospero hex boardgame system again.

 

Curious whether GW will react to the leak today or if they'll wait till Monday. Interesting times. They must be fuming with that Dominion thingy on the near horizon. What a day to be a 30k fan. Feel greedy because I want more, more, more. :P

 

I wonder if the games just didn't test well. I liked the Deathwatch game, and they were solid ways to introduce the games to new players. Maybe the materials got more expensive as board games have boomed in general. Super happy for 30k players, but I don't think I could justify the plunge until the books get a bit more affordable.

 

My only only concern is that the new MKVI are a different scale to my existing MKIV, as then it would look a bit odd fielding them in the same force.

 

But otherwise I'm buying 3.

 

If they're the same size as the relatively recent Chaos releases you won't notice the difference. My wolves and deathwatch blended nicely and the deathwatch are the same size as the new chaos stuff, it wasn't until primaris that the difference in scale was really noticeable. In hindsight I also think a lot of why I noticed the difference so much was because I had improved as a painter as well.

Getting them on 32mm helps a huuuuge deal too. Look way less cramped. Edited June 14, 2021 by Dark Legionnare

[Bloody Legionnaire]

How many of you are going to LVO in 2022 and plan on getting in on some of the HH games/events?

I have never been to an organized tournament before. Only FLGS leagues. I'd like to go to LVO, but I'm definitely a noob. Anyone have any feedback for getting ready for something like this? 

The narrative campaigns looked cool, but I read either on here or on reddit that the ZM games were a lot of fun. 

[Brofist]

My league has been hosting the ZM event at LVO and we'll be there next year. Its an open friendly event, so you can show up and play whomever whenever. Obviously, I'm biased, but imo ZM is one of the best ways to play 30k. Games typically last about an hour and a half.

 

Back when I was first getting into 30k people raved about ZM and how great it was. My group didn't get into it until a few years ago, but man once we did we haven't looked back. It's become one of the main ways we play.

[Doghouse]

So based on the snippets of info flying about concerning a possible compatibility with 9th will we see two wound marines in AoD?

[Brofist]

Post the snippets

 

Unless that box coincides with a rules revision, I sincerely doubt it. Sounds like 40k player wishlisting

[Brofist]

Other common snippets include: no more templates! New AP system! 2W terminators! No armor facings!

 

What do they all have in common? 40k player wishlisting every time there's a HH update.

[No Foes Remain]

In terms of 9th ed stuff, there is only a few things I'd like to see crossover:

 

The first is Crusade, that would be great for 30k and I seemed to remember someone posting a fan conversion of the rules but I couldn't find it again.

 

Second would be the degrading armour saves, I was never really 100% on the whole AP = Save means bye-bye. Just seemed a little rough, I know you had the whole to-hit and to-wound to soften the blow but some HQs and Legion rules help with that to near mitigate it (Ultras and Master of Signal for one).

 

Thirdly would be the option to split fire different weapons within the squad. I feel like Veteran Tacticals would be just that, and would take the chance of popping a missile into a Rhino or whatever while the rest of the squad shot at another target.

 

The rumour about movement being added in would make sense as some units and armour types would move slower than others (Cataphractii termies for one). But, hey, we'll just have to see what we get.

[Brofist]

To be honest it would be cool if they released updated rules with the box set, but I'm extremely skeptical about any huge system changes. GW has a history of that, but with 30k its always been the opposite.

[Doghouse]

Post the snippets

 

Unless that box coincides with a rules revision, I sincerely doubt it. Sounds like 40k player wishlisting

 

One of the examples is from one of our Frater here on the B&C:

 

 

 

Opening this one back up with some info from RikuEru:

 

Also there'll probably be something like Indexes for HH coming in late 2021

 

Loyalist Legions

 

Traitor Legions

 

Loyal Mechanicum

 

Dark Mechanicum

 

Loyal/Traitor Humans (so Militia and Armies etc)

 

 

 

Supposedly the rules will be SLIGHTLY adjusted (main point being the Movement Stat for everything in 30k) to make them compatible with 9th Ed. 40k (Just like 30k armies were/still are compatible to play against 7th Ed. 40k armies.)

 

~RikuEru

 

Apparently it'l be adjusted to be 9th Edition compatible (like 7th Ed. 40k and 30k are/were).

He didn't go into it. Interconnectivity doesn't necessarily mean it would be one and the same is what I got out of that.

 

It pretty much fits with what I have been told by the source of the original leak along with a few others a while ago.

[SkimaskMohawk]

I think there's some confusion over if the indexes will be replacement rules that are compatible or are standalone, to be used to play your units in 9th.

 

Imo it's the latter; the amount of work to make it compatible-but-still-7thish would be extreme. Like caveats about how to convert initiative, AP, movement damage, vehicle armour and all the rest? If they're going to that length they might as well just write the full 9th rules. And as we know theres scatter dice, we know the 7th mechanics are staying, reinforcing that the indexes are solely for cross play and not the core rules.

[Spagunk]

I definitely think we need to be real careful about this. The rumor as it is written doesn't indicate this "index" replaces HH rules at all. Let's step back lest we get an influx of people from certain "bad rumor" sites who flood here posting rumors that have nothing to do with what we have now.

 

In my opinion, I feel that this is going to be a HH unit index that just gives you some rules to go with, ala the existing Imperial Armor index. Getting hopefull about anything more than that is a fool errand right now.

Edited June 18, 2021 by Spagunk

[Iron Hands Fanatic]

I am curious about whether that rumour about heresy 2.0 a lil while back that mentioned dreads having wounds is just 'cause they'll be treated as/like monstrous creatures or whether it's indicative of another shift towards greater 9th compatibility for vehicles in general

 

although it's always possible someone just saw the page for dreads from the supposed 9th ed conversion index

Edited June 18, 2021 by Iron Hands Fanatic